Story on Patriots' documentary brings recent dysfunction to light

[amfootball]

Brady loved being motivated in these ways, so the coach/QB team worked for many years.

No he didn't. He was just the ultimate competitor so he made due.

But I'm wondering if it were Mahomes instead of Brady if there would have been a Magic Johnson/Paul Westhead revolt.

Probably.

 

[Family]

No he didn't. He was just the ultimate competitor so he made due.

Brady talked about being a sixth round choice his entire career.

 

[amfootball]

Brady talked about being a sixth round choice his entire career.

Sure. I mean that was out of his control but Bill telling him Johnny Foxboro could play better than him went up and down his ass like nails on a chalkboard. Just look at the way Glazer, Licht and Arians talked about Brady when he was in Tampa vs the way Bill did for 20 years? The juxtaposition is stunning.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Team Bill

Born: September 2001

Died: Today

 

[venecol]

Lol my boy @venecol going to do a victory lap

Nah, I'm done. The blind homers are too far up Bill's ass to acknowledge reality.

 

[Guts]

Nah, I'm done. The blind homers are too far up Bill's ass to acknowledge reality.

I don't think they classify as homers just Belichik fans lol My boy Andy left as soon as Bill got fired lmao

 

[mike_usagisan]

Do other fanbases do this? "Hey let's celebrate an unprecedented amount of success by burning it all down!"

 

[venecol]

Pretty sure Blank heard some of this when he said "lots of stories, a lot of things," and decided Hell no on hiring Bill.

 

[Guts]

Do other fanbases do this? "Hey let's celebrate an unprecedented amount of success by burning it all down!"

Ehh it's still fresh. As more time passes by people will appreciate our golden era more. Including me

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

In my impression way too many on this site are ungrateful and spiteful for the unprecedented 2 decades of winning & dominance.
Maybe following since 1960 gives me a different perspective. I don't dance on people's graves. Especially HOF candidates.
Were I the owner I would have planed to move on from HOF coach BB last year because of his age. Age gets us all. Times change and we don't change enough and quickly enough.
I look fwd to the new staff and hope that the org is staffed enough with astute judges of talent for drafting and FA acquisitions and the ability to not only get the max out of the talent but to grow them via excellent coaching.

 

[venecol]

Do other fanbases do this? "Hey let's celebrate an unprecedented amount of success by burning it all down!"

How is acknowledging reality = celebrating?

 

[amfootball]

Do other fanbases do this? "Hey let's celebrate an unprecedented amount of success by burning it all down!"

Bob and Bill burnt it all done. It should have never ended the way it did with Brady. Look at how Kobe's career ended, Ortiz, Jeter. I mean what they did was bat **** crazy to the GOAT.

 

[0818NePa]

In my impression way too many on this site are ungrateful and spiteful for the unprecedented 2 decades of winning & dominance.
Maybe following since 1960 gives me a different perspective. I don't dance on people's graves. Especially HOF candidates.
Were I the owner I would have planed to move on from HOF coach BB last year because of his age. Age gets us all. Times change and we don't change enough and quickly enough.
I look fwd to the new staff and hope that the org is staffed enough with astute judges of talent for drafting and FA acquisitions and the ability to not only get the max out of the talent but to grow them via excellent coaching.

I would have moved on from BB in 2018 (or at least 2019) and kept TB. But saying that at the time would have been denounced as heresy. Literaly everybody refused to see what was going on and labeled the reports we had at the time as gossip from pseudo-jounalists.

I think it was not about his style (which I still think it was/is correct). But the exasperation of his style and the inability to let it go just a little bit acknowledging TB "exceptionalism". And not being held accountable for his mistakes by RK.
So, Ego and the old say "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

 

[Steve102]

I am sorry but F Bill. What a fricking clown to have done what he did to Brady at the end. Both he and Bob could not wait after that first SB win to take all the credit for themselves and tout the "Patriot Way."

That's 100% wrong. Hate him all you want, but he always gave the players credit. It's a players game... right out of his own mouth.

His crap worked. Until it didn't. You don't have to like him, but to say he took credit is revisionist history in an effort to discredit him. You don't like his style? Fine. Watch the documentary and roll around in it, because it's gonna make him look bad. He was the evil genius behind it. It worked.

 

[Real fan 02]

New Patriots documentary reveals how bad it got between Brady, Belichick: ‘It was brutal’

A review of "The Dynasty," a documentary on the Patriots from 2000 to 2020 by Apple TV+ that kicks off with two episodes Friday.

theathletic.com

Wow. Even Slater talks about how bad things were in the last decade or so, with attribution that the high authoritarian leadership style of the head coach as the primary cause.

(If you don't subscribe to NYT or The Athletic, open in Firefox and use the read function.)

Yes. I read the article in the athletic your right it was pretty contentious. Amazing we still won in spite.

 

[mike_usagisan]

How is acknowledging reality = celebrating?

They're not. That's my point. I'm not saying we shouldn't acknowledge reality. It's just weird to me to watch a documentary about the dynasty... the most unique dynasty in the history of football, and mainly want to talk about how terrible it was at the end. If given the choice between celebrating and acknowledging reality that is no longer part of the team, I'd rather celebrate.

Shrug. Maybe that's just me.

 

[Steve102]

Nah, I'm done. The blind homers are too far up Bill's ass to acknowledge reality.

 

[amfootball]

That's 100% wrong. Hate him all you want, but he always gave the players credit. It's a players game... right out of his own mouth.

His crap worked. Until it didn't. You don't have to like him, but to say he took credit is revisionist history in an effort to discredit him. You don't like his style? Fine. Watch the documentary and roll around in it, because it's gonna make him look bad. He was the evil genius behind it. It worked.

We are all entitled to our opinions. BB literally sucked all the fun out of winning 6 chips. I mean look at the way Tampa celebrated its SB with the boat parade and Arians getting blasted. Bill was always the curmudgeon snorting and grunting his way through presser after presser. You say he always gave credit to the players? Not while they were playing for him, he didn't. Or did you forget him saying "it's no open heart surgery" after Brady won the AFCGG game vs the Jags with his thumb stitched up with no Edelman or Gronk?

And his **** relationship with the league is what cost us TWO first round draft picks for stupid rule book violations. He just could never understand how to play the game within the game. Brady never gets suspended for fricking ball deflation if BB did not handle Spygate like a complete moron.

 

[Steve102]

They're not. That's my point. I'm not saying we shouldn't acknowledge reality. It's just weird to me to watch a documentary about the dynasty... the most unique dynasty in the history of football, and mainly want to talk about how terrible it was at the end. If given the choice between celebrating and acknowledging reality that is no longer part of the team, I'd rather celebrate.

Shrug. Maybe that's just me.

It sounds like it's gonna be a hit piece. Bill made a lot of enemies in the media. I am not surprised it's going to make him look bad. Lots of people waited to piss on him, so here it comes.

 

[Steve102]

We are all entitled to our opinions. BB literally sucked all the fun out of winning 6 chips.

Pretty sure everyone had a lot of fun here.