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Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

When you get paid to play and consistently work your tail off, even when the chips are down....that's called being a professional. Rogers isn't professional enough to play in NE. He would be cut before training camp was over. The Pats have built their dynasty with TEAM players that are smart and disciplined. Rogers is none of those things.
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

i remember the draft he came out. i was hoping we took him, thought hed be good. he slipped pretty far.
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

When you get paid to play and consistently work your tail off, even when the chips are down....that's called being a professional. Rogers isn't professional enough to play in NE. He would be cut before training camp was over. The Pats have built their dynasty with TEAM players that are smart and disciplined. Rogers is none of those things.

I know he's not your ideal team player but, would he work hard if his team had a realistic chance? I'd like to see the pats take a chance on him if he fits the system. Wilfork has already shown he can play DE well, I don't know if Rogers can though.
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

You want this to mentor your youngsters???

You people are insane. The rehab is closed.

What's the problem? He got drafted by Detroit, had a terrible front office, a terrible QB, a bad defense. Then he was traded to Cleveland where they only lost more. There are only a select few players and I mean SELECT amount of players who give it almost there all with a losing franchise, those being, just to give examples, Tony Gonzalez and Nnamdi Asomugha.

How does losing supposed to motivate anyone? How do you go into the following year with as little improvements as both those teams made thinking "oh drafting the fastest WR in the draft is going to win us at least 4 more games" or "changing offensive coordinators is going to make us a playoff contender".

Take the Texans for example, they are missing a couple of things but not much, improve there Pass D and they could probably be a playoff contender. They are on the cusp every year, not just some years, EVERY YEAR. The Raiders AND Browns are never on the cusp, this was the Raiders best year since what 2003 and what do they do, they fire the HC that helped them get that record.

What's the big deal signing this guy to a 1 or 2 year deal. Rodgers has been on the losing side of games for to long, a lot of people including myself know how good of a player he is. He can be a GREAT leader as well, this league wasn't built on sure things.

Rodgers deserves a chance to be apart of a winning organization, be that with the Patriots or anyone else. He is good, just know that.


When you get paid to play and consistently work your tail off, even when the chips are down....that's called being a professional. Rogers isn't professional enough to play in NE. He would be cut before training camp was over. The Pats have built their dynasty with TEAM players that are smart and disciplined. Rogers is none of those things.

Says who? You? Your calling Rodgers unprofessional when you have NO idea what its been like playing for teams that have been 2 of the worst teams in the NFL for the past 10 yeas.

Oh yeah,Rodney Harrison was disciplined all right. Adalius Thomas was disciplined all right. Harrison understood what it took to be apart a winning organization, that was dedication and hard work. Thomas refused to play other roles in the defense, that's what led to his demise.

When the Patriots brought in Adalius Thomas for more combined salary than Brady, Moss, Welker, AND Stallworth's salaries I knew that was ridiculous. Not to say it wasn't worth it (at the time) but it was just like wow "this guy better be worth it", he looked promising at first then things obviously changed for him once BB did something that AD didn't like. Thomas was a part of those Ravens teams that never really hit low points.

So your telling me Adalius Thomas was a professional? He played for New England.

Rodgers needs a chance to prove himself with a contending organization for once. People think that when some talked about FA comes around the Pats are going to sign him to a long term multi-million year contract. And the only way to take chances on "undisciplined players or older players is to sign them to a 1 year contract paying them 5 bucks per game.

Give Rodgers a chance, he will deliver.
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

Says who? You? Your calling Rodgers unprofessional when you have NO idea what its been like playing for teams that have been 2 of the worst teams in the NFL for the past 10 yeas.

Oh yeah,Rodney Harrison was disciplined all right. Adalius Thomas was disciplined all right. Harrison understood what it took to be apart a winning organization, that was dedication and hard work. Thomas refused to play other roles in the defense, that's what led to his demise.

When the Patriots brought in Adalius Thomas for more combined salary than Brady, Moss, Welker, AND Stallworth's salaries I knew that was ridiculous. Not to say it wasn't worth it (at the time) but it was just like wow "this guy better be worth it", he looked promising at first then things obviously changed for him once BB did something that AD didn't like. Thomas was a part of those Ravens teams that never really hit low points.

So your telling me Adalius Thomas was a professional? He played for New England.

Rodgers needs a chance to prove himself with a contending organization for once. People think that when some talked about FA comes around the Pats are going to sign him to a long term multi-million year contract. And the only way to take chances on "undisciplined players or older players is to sign them to a 1 year contract paying them 5 bucks per game.

Give Rodgers a chance, he will deliver.

Yes, I'm saying that Rogers is unprofessional. Giving a "half-assed" effort because your team is not winning games smacks of immaturity. It's also called being a sore loser. The mark of a professional is how he faces adversity. Rogers is a quitter.

I never heard any criticism of Rodney Harrison that he was undisciplined. He was a team leader on that Pats' defense. He was also a team captain.

I agree with you on Thomas. That's why he's off the team and out of football.

Who knows? Maybe you're right. You never can tell with these things. I'm just saying I'd rather have a guy that kept pushing when the going got tough, rather that one who gave up on his team mates.
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

Yes, I'm saying that Rogers is unprofessional. Giving a "half-assed" effort because your team is not winning games smacks of immaturity. It's also called being a sore loser. The mark of a professional is how he faces adversity. Rogers is a quitter.

I never heard any criticism of Rodney Harrison that he was undisciplined. He was a team leader on that Pats' defense. He was also a team captain.

I agree with you on Thomas. That's why he's off the team and out of football.

Who knows? Maybe you're right. You never can tell with these things. I'm just saying I'd rather have a guy that kept pushing when the going got tough, rather that one who gave up on his team mates.


Rodney was always getting flags thrown his way before he got to NE, he is like one of the top 5 players that have been fined the most. He got under control once he got to New England. Exactly my point, except Rodgers isn't nearly as bad.

And when has Rodgers given a half-assed effort? That's just a question, I personally have only seen him play a few times and it just seems like he gos hard a lot, but thats just when I see him, which isn't often.

How did he quit on his teammates?

I mean I get what your sayin and all but it's kind of a weird way to look at it, he's been losing for so long, he doesn't even know what winning feels like anymore. I could be wrong as well but how is he supposed to make a difference when he is on a team that loses at least 9 or 10 games a year, every year. I mean 1 player can only do so much, he can't force the GM's and coaches to get better players.

It just seems like, in Detroit he was a beast, he was traded to Cleveland and became a NT in their 3-4 defense, how many DT's like being turned into Nose Tackles? He went with it without controversy, done it ever since, now he could play DT or DE, hell, maybe even NT and Wilfork could play DE.

I just think it would be a good idea to take a chance on this guy, I don't want to look back when he is playing for the Steelers or the Cowboys or even worse, the Jets and racking up those sacks or even just tearing threw O-Lines like they were wrapping paper.
 
I might give him a look. He's got the size/athleticism we need and plays NT and DE. I do think playing your whole career for crap teams can be dispiriting.

He's managed to play in the NFL for a lot of years, why assume the worst? If he's affordable, give him a look. Nobody's giving away huge, experienced linemen last time I looked. Until Ty proves he's back, we're two starters down while transitioning to the unknown (we hope) future stud we'll draft.
 
I would go for him too, can you imagine Wilfork, Rogers and Warren as our front three? Assuming they play up to the level we expect from them we should have a monster run-stopping defence.

I know things don't work out like they should on paper but why not take a flyer on this guy? We're in Brady's peak years, we have a huge amount of cap space, why not try Rogers for a reasonable price?
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

With the salary cap it always comes down to money. That's the difference between a good decision and a bad one when you are talking free agents. Shaun Rogers for $5 million a year right now would be a terrible risk. A low base salary and incentive-laden contract would be hard to argue against. It really doesn't matter what issues the guy has.
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

With the salary cap it always comes down to money. That's the difference between a good decision and a bad one when you are talking free agents. Shaun Rogers for $5 million a year right now would be a terrible risk. A low base salary and incentive-laden contract would be hard to argue against. It really doesn't matter what issues the guy has.

Agreed. If it's going to cost a lot, forget it. But if it's a low-risk deal, why not?
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

He seems like he would be a great player, and he has always been a beast, if the Pats were to sign him i'm sure that would improve the defense. ALOT. Rodgers and Wilfork. That would be something, BUT I think that would only take playing time away from Pryor, or Brace, Wright, etc. It's mainly the young guys that worry me.

If he would sign for cheap, mentor the young guys, and put some pressure on QB's, that would be great. I don't see him landing in NE unless BB is ready to cut some yung lineman.

You want this to mentor your youngsters???

You people are insane. The rehab is closed.

Nice!!
 
Re: Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years h

Should've gotten him. Could've been the fifth DT from the 2001 draft to be on the team, after Seymour, GWarren, Damione Lewis, and Stroud :lol2:
 
According to various sources he was offered 6 Mill by a few other teams but chose New Orleans for about 4 mill.
 
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