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September 16th, 2007, 8:00 PM - Day of Reckoning

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Now how can anybody look at this post and call SD fans arrogant and delusional. PatsFanVa, you don't know what you are talking about.

First, LT didn't go crying to the media for weeks. He called out Hobbs and some of his overly giddy teammates for lacking class and put in on the coach. If the story had legs for weeks, it was due to the New England cheerleading squad that works for ESPN. If you want to talk about crybabies, look up: Brady, Tom - and check out the shopping list of receivers he force on management. Once upon a time, the Patriots drafted for depth instead of reaching for losers with potential and questionable ethics.

The fact of the matter is that the Chargers have built exceptional depth at most positions. AND they take care of their star players (can you say Branch?). If anything, the team lacked maturity. Maturity came from losing a playoff game and we filled depth at the few positions of need in the draft.

The team's philosophical and coaching approach is set by our GM who brought in coaches that either taught (Turner/Cam) or learned (Cottrel/Phillips) the same styles and terminology. In comparing the teams, I'll take the Chargers chemistry and continuity over the Pats. Hell, your best corner doesn't even want to play for you.

NE is taking a calculated risk with Stallworth, Moss and Merriweather. I doubt it will work. Its laughable that you'd call Merriman a ****y when your team signed two of the biggest wusses in the the league. Moss can't take a hit and won't be effective over the middle. He'll take plays off, guaranteed. Stallworth? 10 games, maybe. Seau? The dude should be grazing buffets, not attempting to come back for another 8 games. He hasn't played 16 in a season for the last four or five years...

You're right, it isn't a rivalry. It is a single game in September. Possibly a game that could decide where we'll meet in the post season. Unless of course, the Jets take your place.

Tell you what, I'll let you enjoy your delusions and arrogance as long as you allow me mine. As a loooong suffering fan, I deserve as much.

SD fans are arrogant.

There's a difference between arrogance and bold confidence. Bold confidence is earned in the way that NE has been to 5 SB appearances (winning 3) and 6 AFC Championships (winning 5) in franchise history and built to compete for several more seasons. Arrogance is presumed confidence based on people's expectations and predictions. SD fans assume their the best team, but yet, have no such hardware to back it up!

I certainly, in no way, wish any serious injuries to anyone on your team and hope Tomlinson stays healthy throughout his career. Besides, it'll be that much more gratifying when NE kicks your ***E$ all over Gilette and SD fans will have nothing left to blame it on!

Just for your information, suffering fans don't deserve *****. As a life-long NE sports fan from a generation of NE sports fans, the more you feel you deserve, the more ***** you will receive!
 
Now how can anybody look at this post and call SD fans arrogant and delusional. PatsFanVa, you don't know what you are talking about.

Don't think I specifically called you arrogant, though certainly delusional fits the bill. Hey, guys, you have some talent. But you have to win a playoff game before you start crowing about a "Day of Reckoning."

First, LT didn't go crying to the media for weeks.
Wrong and incorrect, he was still interviewing on the topic on the eve of the Colts' game, and in fact after that Colts' game. I do not count last week's comparatively polite observations on his part, about how NE is pretty much the defining game for you guys.

If you want to talk about crybabies, look up: Brady, Tom - and check out the shopping list of receivers he force on management.

Please substantiate this claim. I was not aware that Belichick had publicly stated that he had no real desire to go after Randy Moss et al. In fact, I think his comments had been to the opposite effect. I am not sure I understand how Brady forced Belichick to scout Adalius Thomas for the defense either. Nor do I understand what tools Brady would use to force Belichick's acquiescence. I await your substantiation.

Once upon a time, the Patriots drafted for depth instead of reaching for losers with potential and questionable ethics.

The fact of the matter is that the Chargers have built exceptional depth at most positions. AND they take care of their star players (can you say Branch?).

I see. Your position is that the Pats should have kept Branch, rather than accept the Moss/Stallworth/Welker/Washington/Gaffney/Caldwell debacle they will face next year. Your opinion is noted and disregarded.

If anything, the team lacked maturity. Maturity came from losing a playoff game and we filled depth at the few positions of need in the draft.

The team's philosophical and coaching approach is set by our GM who brought in coaches that either taught (Turner/Cam) or learned (Cottrel/Phillips) the same styles and terminology. In comparing the teams, I'll take the Chargers chemistry and continuity over the Pats. Hell, your best corner doesn't even want to play for you.

Why not just go whole hog and claimed to have addressed your maturity issues in the draft? Oh by the way -- did you draft another head coach, offensive coordinator, and defensive coordinator? See, if NE lost its head coach, we'd consider that somewhat more important than a receiver who's never gone over 1000 yards. I understand how it might be different in the land of Marty Schottenheimer and Norv Turner. Now you're just beyond delusional. You're in Homer Heaven, my friend.

NE is taking a calculated risk with Stallworth, Moss and Merriweather. I doubt it will work. Its laughable that you'd call Merriman a ****y when your team signed two of the biggest wusses in the the league. Moss can't take a hit and won't be effective over the middle. He'll take plays off, guaranteed. Stallworth? 10 games, maybe. Seau? The dude should be grazing buffets, not attempting to come back for another 8 games. He hasn't played 16 in a season for the last four or five years...

Never called Merriman a *****, but I do get how your perception is that 22 starters equates to a 53 man roster. Since you've isolated the receiving corps, let's have a look at where we start: Let's call it Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Ben Watson/Davis Thomas, backed up by Caldwell (your old #2 as I recall,) Gaffney, Washington, oh by the way, and another prospective deep threat in Chad Jackson. As I understand it, the Bolts' receiving threat is pretty much Antonio Gates. Moss taking plays off is more than you hope for in your wildest dreams; and we won't even get into a Moss behavior change, as has happened with every other "malcontent" who has hit NE's locker room.

You're right, it isn't a rivalry. It is a single game in September. Possibly a game that could decide where we'll meet in the post season. Unless of course, the Jets take your place.

Yeah that could happen. And monkeys could fly out of my hindquarters. Have a look at the respective divisions, and tell me whether the Pats are likely to be the absent party in a post-season matchup.

Tell you what, I'll let you enjoy your delusions and arrogance as long as you allow me mine. As a loooong suffering fan, I deserve as much.

I have no delusions, nor do I have arrogance. What I do have is allegiance to a team that regularly goes deep into the playoffs, and has won the super bowl more times than any other team, taking "team" to mean coaches and players still in the NFL.

You know where this is going this season, my friend. You know as well as I do the road to the SB goes through NE.

Norv and Cam (the same thing as Shottenheimer of course,) need to be ready for that, as does Shanny, should he get his shot. As I said, you'd be easier to beat than Denver. But who knows if you'll even be there come January.

Yes, do enjoy your delusions. May is Your time, San Diego!

See here on the East coast, we get a "change of seasons" -

Offseason, Pre-season, Regular Season, Post-Season. And we can also tell which is which. Here's a hint - the post-season's the part you guys want to stop watching on TV. Pass it on.

PFnV
 
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I think his point was Seau had the choice of which team to play for to get his ring and it appears he chose New England over San Diego. He's not going to be a dominant player anywhere, but its interesting that his "ring ride" is in Foxboro and not San Diego.

We have no idea if he had any other offers. He sure didn't last year, leading to his 'retirement'. My guess is the Pats are his oly option, at least from a team with a decent shot of going all the way.

Chargers let Edwards walk this season, anbd they let Seau go, what, 4yrs ago? They were never an option for him.

FYI, I do enjoy the Chargers forum. Yes, they have many 'homerific' fans, (like we don't?!?), and they have a young fan base for the most part. I found it AMAZING to see the volume of posters logged on after the playoff game! I've never seen anything like it. There were THOUSANDS of fans posting that night!

They also have as many 'grounded' fans as this site does. I even invited one of their moderators to the game in September, after going at it with him over the Moss signing.
 
I think his point was Seau had the choice of which team to play for to get his ring and it appears he chose New England over San Diego. He's not going to be a dominant player anywhere, but its interesting that his "ring ride" is in Foxboro and not San Diego.
Ya, I understood that. My point was that Junior DID NOT have a choice. He didn't talk to us and we would not have entertained discussions. Look at our LB corps. We don't have a need for Junior at this point. I wish Seau well and hope he does well with the pats. But there was never an opportunity for Junior to come back to us.
 
NE fans. I understand what you're saying when you refer to your legacy. It has recently become rich. I can't speak for all SD fans but I'd say the majority do respect and appreciate what NE has done.

That's actually the point. That's why we're here. We want what you have and we intend to take it from you. It's as simple as that. Further to the point, we believe we can.

I know NE thinks people like Stallworth, Moss, and Thomas are gonna make the difference. We don't see it that way. What we see is that we own you on BOTH lines of scrimmage. As any aficionado of the game knows, that's where it all begins. Go ahead and go 5 wide because you're NOT gonna be running on us. And you WILL be going 5 wide because you're NOT gonna have a choice. That's exactly where we want you to do. Bring it. :rocker:
 
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Win something and then you earn respect. San Diego is absolutely nothing and will remain so. Merriman was a ****y in Maryland and he is in San Diego. You guys finish behind Denver in the AFCW this year anyhow.
Merriman is a "p u s s y?" Hmm...
 
NE fans. I understand what you're saying when you refer to your legacy. It has recently become rich. I can't speak for all SD fans but I'd say the majority do respect and appreciate what NE has done.

That's actually the point. That's why we're here. We want what you have and we intend to take it from you. It's as simple as that. Further to the point, we believe we can.

I know NE thinks people like Stallworth, Moss, and Thomas are gonna make the difference. We don't see it that way. What we see is that we own you on BOTH lines of scrimmage. As any aficionado of the game knows, that's where it all begins. Go ahead and go 5 wide because you're NOT gonna be running on us. And you WILL be going 5 wide because you're NOT gonna have a choice. That's exactly where we want you to do. Bring it. :rocker:

You amuse me. I mean it. That last paragraph is pure gold.
 
Well, the SD and Indy games were both games in which the better team lost IMO. SD should have beaten us, we should have beaten Indy. They didn't, we didn't. It's in the history books.

Looking ahead to week 2, the talent gap will be a lot closer now that we've added Moss, Stallworth, Thomas, Seau (presumably) and Harrison from the last matchup. Not sure what SD has added but I know it's not a list like that.
Ahh mon freire, I beg to differ. Here's who we added.

1) Craig "Buster" Davis. Possibly the better of the 2 main receivers that #1 JR was throwing to for LSU. Our scouts have him timed @4.37

2) Eric Weddle. The dudes a proven collegiate ball hawk. I believe his skills will translate nicely in the pro ranks.

3) Andre Waters. Could have gone in the 2nd. He's a monster who WILL push our ILB's for a starting position

4) Scott Chandler. Bruising TE and solid run blocker.

5) Legadu Nanee. Heheh. This guy has mad potential written all over him.

7) Brandon Siler. Heheh, another monster and an aboslute steal at 7. To this day nobody can explain why he dropped so far. Glad we caught him.

I love our draft and I think we got help where it was needed. Time will tell...
 
You amuse me. I mean it. That last paragraph is pure gold.
Glad I'm providing some entertainment for you. :cool2: My assertion still stands. You're not gonna be able to run on us. You do not move the ball effectively against our defense. SD actually does run all over you and we move the ball at will. You've never stopped our current running game and you won't as long as it lasts.

I'm coming to the game in September. If I have any trouble getting tickets I expect someone on this board to hook me up. Because I think, if you're as good as you should be, you'll be coming our way in January. I'll return the favor.
 
As if I need your respect? And just because NE is Denver's bltch, that don't mean SD will be too.

I think the Pats are dancing on your logo again, clown. Enjoy another disappointing season for you and the rest of the worst fans in the NFL in SD.
 
Originally Posted by 1BoltFan Here4Fun
The fact of the matter is that the Chargers have built exceptional depth at most positions. AND they take care of their star players (can you say Branch?)...

The team's philosophical and coaching approach is set by our GM who brought in coaches that either taught (Turner/Cam) or learned (Cottrel/Phillips) the same styles and terminology. In comparing the teams, I'll take the Chargers chemistry and continuity over the Pats.

All that, and the Chargers superior gameplan has resulted in a grand total of zero playoff wins and zero Super Bowls. Fantastic.
 
Its laughable that you'd call Merriman a ****y when your team signed two of the biggest wusses in the the league. Moss can't take a hit and won't be effective over the middle. He'll take plays off, guaranteed.

Is that better or worse than the entire Playoff game Merriman took off against New England?
 
SD fans are arrogant.

There's a difference between arrogance and bold confidence. Bold confidence is earned in the way that NE has been to 5 SB appearances (winning 3) and 6 AFC Championships (winning 5) in franchise history and built to compete for several more seasons. Arrogance is presumed confidence based on people's expectations and predictions. SD fans assume their the best team, but yet, have no such hardware to back it up!

I certainly, in no way, wish any serious injuries to anyone on your team and hope Tomlinson stays healthy throughout his career. Besides, it'll be that much more gratifying when NE kicks your ***E$ all over Gilette and SD fans will have nothing left to blame it on!

Just for your information, suffering fans don't deserve *****. As a life-long NE sports fan from a generation of NE sports fans, the more you feel you deserve, the more ***** you will receive!
Sigh. I have to jump into this.

It's not that we think we deserve. We don't. Most pre-season rankings have either NE or Indy on top and SD third. I think that's as it should be. We have NOT earned JACK yet. I understand that. I'm here because I believe we will earn credibility. I also believe we're going to earn it via the Patriots, Colts, and Ravens. Primarily because all of the aforementioned teams are perennial contenders and have rings. Just so happens you're all on our schedule this year. Fancy that?

It's like that.
 
Sigh. I have to jump into this.

It's not that we think we deserve. We don't. Most pre-season rankings have either NE or Indy on top and SD third. I think that's as it should be. We have NOT earned JACK yet. I understand that. I'm here because I believe we will earn credibility. I also believe we're going to earn it via the Patriots, Colts, and Ravens. Primarily because all of the aforementioned teams are perennial contenders and have rings. Just so happens you're all on our schedule this year. Fancy that?

It's like that.
What's your point? Every one of your posts is the same dribble. The only thing you can use to back up your talk is one win nearly 2 years ago and one legitimate, whiny superstar. If you haven't learned yet..talk is cheap!

BTW, was the Qualcom field maintenance staff able to get out Ellis Hobb's cleat marks off the "sparkers" logo?
 
What's your point? Every one of your posts is the same dribble. The only thing you can use to back up your talk is one win nearly 2 years ago and one legitimate, whiny superstar. If you haven't learned yet..talk is cheap!

BTW, was the Qualcom field maintenance staff able to get out Ellis Hobb's cleat marks off the "sparkers" logo?
My point is in the post. Apparently you're determined to take this to a lower level. Sorry. Don't feel like following?
 
What's your point? Every one of your posts is the same dribble. The only thing you can use to back up your talk is one win nearly 2 years ago and one legitimate, whiny superstar. If you haven't learned yet..talk is cheap!

BTW, was the Qualcom field maintenance staff able to get out Ellis Hobb's cleat marks off the "sparkers" logo?
I would also take exception to the one legitimate superstar assertion. Who's better than Merriman on the outside. Phillips isn't far behind. Who's better than Gates at TE? Name him. Who's better than Neal at FB? Name him. Who's better than Jamal Williams at NT? Name him. I could go on. Hope you get the point.
 
I would also take exception to the one legitimate superstar assertion. Who's better than Merriman on the outside. Who's better than Jamal Williams at NT? Name him.

Adalius Thomas and Vince Wilfork.
 
My point is in the post. Apparently you're determined to take this to a lower level. Sorry. Don't feel like following?
By being here and tootin' your horn, you've brought it to a "lower level" and then you follow up with another post about the "one year roid wonder" Merriman. Please! Don't claim to be here for good, honest football talk and start throwing around lofty predictions and telling Pats fans that all the moves they've made this offseason are bad and won't prove to be any good. You are a complete fool if you really believe that any or all of these guys; Moss, Stallworth, Welker and even Washington won't make a big impact with a future H of F QB throwing them the ball! Philip Rivers couldn't even hold the clipboard if he was on this team.
 
I would also take exception to the one legitimate superstar assertion. Who's better than Merriman on the outside. Phillips isn't far behind. Who's better than Gates at TE? Name him. Who's better than Neal at FB? Name him. Who's better than Jamal Williams at NT? Name him. I could go on. Hope you get the point.
What Grizzafted said and I'll dare say that Watson could easily put up similar #'s as Gates! He's as athletic and probably a smarter all around player given how he chased down Chump Bailey in 2005 playoff game!
 
By being here and tootin' your horn, you've brought it to a "lower level" and then you follow up with another post about the "one year roid wonder" Merriman. Please! Don't claim to be here for good, honest football talk and start throwing around lofty predictions and telling Pats fans that all the moves they've made this offseason are bad and won't prove to be any good. You are a complete fool if you really believe that any or all of these guys; Moss, Stallworth, Welker and even Washington won't make a big impact with a future H of F QB throwing them the ball! Philip Rivers couldn't even hold the clipboard if he was on this team.
I never suggested the moves the pats made wouldn't pan out. Look at my posts. What I suggested was that the pats off season acquisitions wouldn't be enough. We in SD know Randy. We know he has skills. It's like I said in a previous post. All things considered, he won't be enough. No WR EVER is. By the same token no LB ever is. By the same token no ONE player ever is.

Contrary to what some NE fans may believe, TB alone is not enough. Regardless of his ability to "will" the team to victory.

In terms of offense I know QB is the most important position on the field. But it's not enough. No way NE wins that 1st SB if you didn't have hell-a-team pulling around you. Questionable referee ruling notwithstanding. You won that game against the Raiders because your OL protected well enough and Brady, Branch, and Dillon put you in a place for a potential win. Fantasic. That's great.

My point here is that it does take a team. We SD fans do know that. We SD fans understand that we've got weapons on both sides of the line. We SD fans understand that's not enough. We SD fans understand it IS about the team. Always.

I mean isn't it obvious? Do you not understand that we aspire to be where NE has been? Do you not understand that SD fans understand that we're more than likely gonna have to go THROUGH NE to get there?

If we get a ring without going through NE? That's your bad. There's always next year...
 
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