PATRIOTS NEWS Ryan Cowden to join front office

[BUSTAMOVE]

I’m really looking forward to seeing how Vrabel goes about putting his team together. He’s going to make them nasty, and that’s exactly what I want to see from them.

That is why I wanted him
Punch them in the nose type players.
Those type of players also play with passion
It was hard to watch last year because you knew our coaching flat our sucked
I know there is a rebuild that has to take place
But I feel at ease knowing we have Vrabel and a staff he is going to put together
I am confident we will be competitive once again in the near future

 

[ralmat55]

It doesn’t matter who’s personnel exec #1 or #2. Those are Rooney Rules niceties. What matters is who has final say over the 53 man roster. Last year it was Wolf. I don’t believe for a second that Vrabel doesn’t have it now.

 

[reflexblue]

I’m really looking forward to seeing how Vrabel goes about putting his team together. He’s going to make them nasty, and that’s exactly what I want to see from them.

I hope he goes back to the style of the early super bowl teams. They physically beat the other teams so badly it took weeks for those teams to recover. They would not only lose to the pats, they'd lose the next game as well.

 

[captain stone]

Why are there so many Wolf advocates here? He was just as terrible at his job as Mayo, possibly worse. If Belichick had made the picks Wolf made, everyone would be up in arms.

Ron Wolf's boy was Indeed worse at his job than Mayo was at his, a damn sight worse too.

Think the power structure will be
#1 Vrabel
#2A Cowden
#2B Wolf
Rest to be determined..

And I think all will be happy with this.

2B is still 2 High for my taste.

 

[captain stone]

I don’t think that’s really true. Polk was widely viewed as a solid pick at draft time. So was Robinson.

Absolutely not. And SloPolk's value was Much closer to where Wallace was foolishly taken.

Wallace was a little bit of a reach. Baker was seen as good value...

Now you're just testing to see if anyone's paying attention, right?

 

[captain stone]

Interesting comment by Vrabes re: Wolf

He used his words very carefully.

"There were some things that didn't allow him to completely invest in personnel".

3:35 mark.

What the **** does that even mean?

More gibberish.

 

[Grogan14]

Polk was NOT viewed as a solid pick at draft time.

 

[mgteich]

Polk was NOT viewed as a solid pick at draft time.

Polk was views as a WR that should have been drafted at the end of the second.

We don't need to again review all the comments from the next day expecting Polk to be good WR, a #2 WR, just not one that should have been drafted in the top 50 picks.

But, yes Wolf failed. He paid too much attention to the views and judgement of the coaches.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What the **** does that even mean?

More gibberish.

It means in Vrabes estimation Wolf isn't set up for success

 

[RobertWeathers]

Polk was views as a WR that should have been drafted at the end of the second.

We don't need to again review all the comments from the next day expecting Polk to be good WR, a #2 WR, just not one that should have been drafted in the top 50 picks.

But, yes Wolf failed. He paid too much attention to the views and judgement of the coaches.

He was told to collaborate

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ok. Just watched an interview by Tom Curran with Vrabes
Curran asked a question about OC’s that may help Maye
Vrabel said “ I am looking forward to interviewing them all. We have the time”
If Wolf was in charge wouldn’t he be doing the interviewing
I’m sure Vrabel would have said Eliot and myself will be interviewing candiadates
It sure seems like Vrabel has been giving the keys.
But will in earnest collaborate with Wolf and Cowden

I’m not surprised by this, when Kraft really wanted Belichick he gave him full control over personnel as well. And that’s the way it should be, the coach is the one running their systems, and they know best the types of players they need to be able to run them the way they want. In both free agency and the Draft both Wolf and Cowden will be giving Vrabel the information he needs to make the final decisions on personnel. And Vrabel will have the added luxury of having a bunch of dumb as **** Patriot fans who will praise him for every good decision he makes, and blame Wolf for every bad one, just as they did for Belichick.

 

[upstater1]

Polk was views as a WR that should have been drafted at the end of the second.

We don't need to again review all the comments from the next day expecting Polk to be good WR, a #2 WR, just not one that should have been drafted in the top 50 picks.

But, yes Wolf failed. He paid too much attention to the views and judgement of the coaches.

Same thing happened on Wallace then?

 

[TomPatriot]

Polk was views as a WR that should have been drafted at the end of the second.

We don't need to again review all the comments from the next day expecting Polk to be good WR, a #2 WR, just not one that should have been drafted in the top 50 picks.

But, yes Wolf failed. He paid too much attention to the views and judgement of the coaches.

One coach.

 

[TommyD4207]

Think the power structure will be
#1 Vrabel
#2A Cowden
#2B Wolf
Rest to be determined..

1) Vrabel
2A) Cowden
2B) Highsmith
3) Wolf

 

[upstater1]

Absolutely not. And SloPolk's value was Much closer to where Wallace was foolishly taken.



Now you're just testing to see if anyone's paying attention, right?

He gets the first guy being compared really wrong. Polk and Wallace were just bad picks.

But he's right both times about the second guy.

Robinson and Baker are not bad picks. It was hard to know Baker has a 10 cent brain until you got to really know him. The only thing that bothered me about Robinson is that he was yet another guard on a team that took a million of them, and what the heck ever happened to Sidy Sow? He looked better than Robinson as a rookie but was a complete mess his 2nd year.

I agree with you that Vrabel really isn't making sense but maybe he's just trying to deflect because he was asked to give the guy a year to judge him. I hope this Cowden fellow is able to assess the abilities of Wolf and the scouts so he can let Vrabel really know how they're performing. I don't have hope. It's pretty clear they were doing the work of assessments/scouting for Belichick too.

I really want to know what Bruschi meant when he said that a real decision maker who knows football is now taking over, and that the front office guys should just sit down and listen to people who actually know football. The key part of Bruschi's quote is he said YEARS of this, not just last year. If he meant the personnel people, which is my guess, then it's clear Bruschi thinks it's enough of a problem to talk about it on ESPN.

 

[Family]

Ron Wolf's boy was Indeed worse at his job than Mayo was at his, a damn sight worse too.







2B is still 2 High for my taste.

There are some people who shouldn't be in charge, but are still valuable.

I don't know what the story is with Wolf, but NFL people beyond the Kraft's seem to have respect for him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He was told to collaborate

If you go to the Draft forum and take a look at BaconGrundle’s take on the last class of wide receivers you will see that he had Polk in the same grouping that all the mock drafts had him, in the second tier of WR’s. No one here does more or better research on prospects than he does, although some are much better at post draft revisionist history than the rest of us. I don’t think Polk was the best choice with their 2nd round pick, Jackson Powers-Johnson was the best center in the class, and available when they were picking, but almost everyone here wanted LT or WR, and both positions had been wiped out in the first round. Some here did want McConkey at the time, and that was a good call by them, as he proved he was a good pick by his play this season, but nowhere near as many people wanted McConkey when the pick was made as they claim they did now. If Polk does go on to bust then that’s on Wolf, as he had final say on every pick, but imo the jury is still out, despite his dismal rookie season, and we will have a much better idea on all of the rookies at this time next year, when they have spent a full offseason and season with a real NFL coach and staff.

 

[Steve102]

Well, if Vrabel sends him packing, it'll be because hes no wartime consigliere.

 

[bakes781]

Coaches hire assistant coaches, not personnel guys.

With Wolf, some of us are worried that Vrabel is not going to pick the groceries.

Pretty sure that wasn't the case for Mayo?

 

[bakes781]

Most consensus WR rankings as I recall:

Nabers Odunze and MHJ were all top 5

Then there were a handful of mid-late 1st rounders:

Brian Thomas
Xavier Worthy
Leon Coleman
AD Mitchell
Ladd McConkey
Xavier Liggette
Ricky Pearsall

Polk was never considered amongst that 2nd teir. If anything Javon Baker was rated higher by most experts.