Rumor or Speculation (IDK): Patriots shopping Amendola

[Brady6]

Here's where I stand on the issue:



Also, I still view retaining Edelman as a MUST.

That money sunk that is what nobody seems to be grasping, the bonus money is going to go against the cap any other year moving forward. The advantage of trading him is that we would be able to rid ourselves of him this season without taking a cap hit for the $2 million we guaranteed him for his 2014 base salary.

If you trade him you take, an immediate $4.8 million cap hit for the bonus money, that bonus money otherwise would hit us $3.6 million in 2015, $2.4 million in 2016, or $1.2 million in 2017 if he were to be cut in any of those years. So as I said you trade him take the $4.8 million hit this season but he has no negative impact on any of the future cap years. Therefore, if you can resign Edelman for $4.5 million APY long term this team is in a better position.

Fans are looking at this year to year; Belichick and Kraft are looking at the big picture and the long-term impact for the team beyond 2014.

 

[OhExaulted1]

I don't see how taking a $4.8M 2014 cap hit helps us to sign Edelman.

It would seem that cutting Amendola before March 11th and spreading the $4.8M between 2014 and 2015 ($1.2M and $3.6M) would work much better, freeing up $3.6M of more cap space than trading Amendola (presuming the goal is replacing Amendola with Edelman).

The $4.8M is a cap hit that will be taken over the next 4 years in any case. The question is when and what additional monies will be committed to Amendola.

BTW, why would anyone give a draft choice for Amendola when they probably can get Edelman for the same price as we would with no draft choice?

From my point of view, I'm not in the Danny sucks camp. He's just injury prone and not all that effective when he tries to play through it. He's only had 1 year in the system.

I think they should ride him out for this year and see if he can stay healthy for a season. If not, cut bait next year where it saves us like 2 mil. He's part of the mix with a bunch of 1st year guys. If JE does go elsewhere and we trade/cut Danny, then what? A rookie? Mcguffie? Take a chance on another FA and see how he does 1st year?

 

[MassPats38]

That money sunk that is what nobody seems to be grasping, the bonus money is going to go against the cap any other year moving forward. The advantage of trading him is that we would be able to rid ourselves of him this season without taking a cap hit for the $2 million we guaranteed him for his 2014 base salary.

True, but why the rush? Your assumption seems to be that this year will be true every year and that whatever the Pats saw as talent will never consistently show on the field. That is the only way you can argue a cost savings. If he produces next year on another team, then the Pats just throw the money away and look like fools. If he is injured all of next season, then it really isn't any less cost effective to release him then and the team gave it the old college try. Saving $1 million or so is not major in the grand scheme of salary cap management.

And you stated in your prior post that people view the Brandon Lloyd release as cost savings. Everything I have heard and read indicates a general understanding of a bad locker room presence that was worth the dead money to lose. It had nothing to do with money. Who is saying that release had anything to do with saving money? I hadn't heard that story, so I'd love to hear who is making that claim.

 

[Sciz]

That money sunk that is what nobody seems to be grasping, the bonus money is going to go against the cap any other year moving forward. The advantage of trading him is that we would be able to rid ourselves of him this season without taking a cap hit for the $2 million we guaranteed him for his 2014 base salary.

That $2M salary isn't guaranteed until March 11. If the Pats cut him between now and then, it's the same result as if they traded him. If they cut him between now and then with the post-June 1 designation, then they have to take the $4.8M dead money immediately, but get $3.6M back on June 1, with that $3.6M hitting the cap next season.

If they're going to cut him before March 11, then there's really no reason not to designate him post-June 1. Any cap room they don't use can be rolled over, so it gives them a little more flexibility in 2014 without doing any harm to 2015 if they don't use that extra room. The only downside would be that each team can only have two post-June 1 designations, but I don't see that being a factor for the Pats.

(This is where Miguel pops in and tells me that I just said is wrong.)

 

[supafly]

the stuff that really made me laugh was his apologists after the season making excuses for his performance because he was injured.... AHHH NO ****!!!!! HE'S ALWAYS INJURED!!!

I suppose you feel the same way about Aqib Talib then, considering that they've both missed the same amount of regular season games in 2012 and 2013 (with Talib actually missing more total games due to the last 2 AFCCGs) ?

 

[Keyser Söze]

I suppose you feel the same way about Aqib Talib then, considering that they've both missed the same amount of regular season games in 2012 and 2013 (with Talib actually missing more total games due to the last 2 AFCCGs) ?

Aqib Talib has proven to be a better player than Amendola. He hasn't been known as an injury case his entire career like Amendola.

 

[supafly]

Aqib Talib has proven to be a better player than Amendola. He hasn't been known as an injury case his entire career like Amendola.

I'll agree with you on the first one--arguably. Keep in mind that no one was gushing over Talib when he was benched last year and ready to be cut from Tampa Bay. He had definitely shown some good play prior to that when healthy, so we'll give it to Talib. I agree. He's been better as a whole.

The second point isn't even close to true. Talib has never once finished any single season in 6 attempts, and misses an average of 21-22% of every one of his 6 seasons in the league. He also has had a chronic injury that has plagued him for the past 3--4 yrs with the hip problem, and has failed to be able to play in his only 2 "big games" during his career.

In other words, he's just as injury prone as Amendola, if not more. When you've never once finished a season at the end in Dec/Jan and miss between 1/5 and 1/4 of all 6 seasons, I would say that you're injury prone.

 

[Sciz]

Amendola has had two seasons where he didn't miss any time due to injury. Talib doesn't have any. Talib's chronic hip issue is also much more of a red flag to me than a guy who has had a torn triceps, then a broken collarbone, then a torn groin.

 

[Keyser Söze]

I'll agree with you on the first one--arguably. Keep in mind that no one was gushing over Talib when he was benched last year and ready to be cut from Tampa Bay. He had definitely shown some good play prior to that when healthy, so we'll give it to Talib. I agree. He's been better as a whole.

The second point isn't even close to true. Talib has never once finished any single season in 6 attempts, and misses an average of 21-22% of every one of his 6 seasons in the league. He also has had a chronic injury that has plagued him for the past 3--4 yrs with the hip problem, and has failed to be able to play in his only 2 "big games" during his career.

In other words, he's just as injury prone as Amendola, if not more. When you've never once finished a season at the end in Dec/Jan and miss between 1/5 and 1/4 of all 6 seasons, I would say that you're injury prone.

there would seem to be a reason then that Amendola is getting shopped, and more cap space is seemingly getting made to keep top priority Talib.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Amendola has had two seasons where he didn't miss any time due to injury. Talib doesn't have any. Talib's chronic hip issue is also much more of a red flag to me than a guy who has had a torn triceps, then a broken collarbone, then a torn groin.

Amendola's role in St. Louis was far inferior than his role in NE. Which makes his injury history there even more troubling.

 

[Sciz]

Amendola's role in St. Louis was far inferior than his role in NE. Which makes his injury history there even more troubling.

He averaged a full reception per game more over his last three seasons in St Louis (153/28=5.5) than he did as a Patriot last season (54/14=4.5).

 

[50-yard-line]

there would seem to be a reason then that Amendola is getting shopped, and more cap space is seemingly getting made to keep top priority Talib.

Way to pile speculation on top of speculation.

I love how NE sports media works...

 

[supafly]

there would seem to be a reason then that Amendola is getting shopped, and more cap space is seemingly getting made to keep top priority Talib.

ASSUMPTIONS

1. We have absolutely no idea whether Amendola is really "getting shopped."

The only single report out there is from a guy on bleacher report, who isn't even a professional reporter. That is the single report being quoted here, in the local media, and on PFT/NBC sports. It's all based on this one guy's opinion.

2. Who says that the Patriots are freeing up space to re-sign Talib anyway? Why would they need to free up space in the first place? They are currently more than 10+ million under the cap, and a 2014 Talib cap hit wouldn't be any more than about 4 to 4.5 million dollars tops.

They don't have to free up cap space to re-sign Talib, nor do we know if they are doing so. We also don't know if the Amendola situation has a thing to do with Aqib Talib. If anything, it may have more to do with attempting to re-sign Julian Edelman, since they play the same position.

Amendola's role in St. Louis was far inferior than his role in NE. Which makes his injury history there even more troubling.

I'm not sure what you mean by "far inferior" since he played both inside and outside on a team with no other weapons and put up 85 catches one year and 63 in another--starting only 8 games.

It's seems that we see things a bit differently for this one subject.

 

[supafly]

Way to pile speculation on top of speculation.

I love how NE sports media works...

Apologies, as I had been in the middle of my post when you were posting yours.

Didn't mean to state the same thing.

 

[supafly]

The next 2 weeks are likely going to bring a lot of rumors and speculation, some of it true, and some of it very untrue.

We honestly have no idea what's going to happen about either one of Amendola or Edelman, so we'll have to just wait and see how it all plays out.

The old "IBBWT" mantra will be alive and well, and only time will answer these questions. In the meantime, we'll be beating these issues to death and back 100 times over for lack of a better topic

 

[Sciz]

And let's not forget that Kraft specifically pointed out Talib's injuries over the past season and a half in an interview. There's definitely some level of concern there.

 

[supafly]

And let's not forget that Kraft specifically pointed out Talib's injuries over the past season and a half in an interview. There's definitely some level of concern there.

This is why I'm wondering if we shouldn't stray too far away from something in the range of the old Bodden pact at 4/22 or 5.5 AAV with 10 million guaranteed?

Obviously, some incentives such as (cough, cough) playing time and possible top notch play could be included to potentially bump it up to something close to 6.5 per year AAV, but I would be awfully hesitant to go any further than that.

I'm wondering if both Edelman and Talib won't be testing the market to see how hot the water is before reporting back with offers? I'm still expecting my above offer to be smack in the middle of the bunch--if not even the ceiling. I truly don't see anyone paying him 8 million dollars a year, especially after the market from last season.

He may have "more interest" than last year as has been reported (which makes sense), but I don't see it jumping from 4.95m with another 1/2 million probowl incentive like this season, all the way to 7.5--8 million dollars. I think that's borderline ridiculous myself. We'll have to see how it shakes out though.

The bottom line is that I wouldn't go over 6--6.5 million per year myself, not with the concerns and history that he has.

 

[Keyser Söze]

I'll be sure to revisit this thread when Talib is signed long term and Amendola is gone.

 

[supafly]

I'll be sure to revisit this thread when Talib is signed long term and Amendola is gone.

I think there's a good chance of both happening, just not in the same 2014 year.

One would think that we'll make a reasonable offer to try and keep Talib, and that Amendola's pact will be reassessed after the coming 2014 season if he is not producing enough to Belichick's liking.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Mallett and Amendola for Revis? Revis and PAts would workout a new contract of course. Would you pull the trigger?