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Rotoworld: Evan Silva predicts Pats trade for Bears RB Matt Forte

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For a 2nd and a late round pick why wouldn't we pull the trigger on this trade??? Forte is one of the top 3 backs in the league right now and although he is coming off of knee surgery this is the kind of gamble we have to take. The great thing about this back is that he is still relatively young, and has plenty of good seasons ahead of him. I know that we have Vereen, Ridley, and Woodhead already in this backfield but Forte is a huge upgrade from either Ridley or Vereen (Woodhead is primarily a 3rd down back so he isn't going to get a bulk of the carries anyways). The contract wouldn't be as big of a deal if it is spread out over a number of years, when the signing bonus is due, back-loading the contract, etc (i.e., there are plenty of ways to get around the cap by fudging with the numbers).

No offense to any of the current running backs we have, but when you have the opportunity to add an elite running back to an already explosive offense, then you are really setting your team up for success. Look at what Corey Dillon was able to bring to this offense for the three seasons he was a Pat. Another big thing to look at with this is that Brady isn't getting any younger, and having a reliable workhorse back would take a ton of strain off of Brady so he doesn't have to throw the ball 40+ times a game.

Lastly, the Brady window is slowly closing. I realistically believe that he has 3-4 seasons of playing at a high level, which means its time for this franchise to make moves to win now. I'm not saying mortgage the entire future to get a player like Forte if the Bears are asking for multiple 1st rounders or what not. From what sources are saying, the asking price isn't too high and the Pats have the picks/cap room right now to make this deal work. I normally don't feel the Pats need to make huge splashes during the off-season with personal (Like Mike Wallace or Mario Williams) but the opportunity to get a player of Forte's caliber doesn't happen much in the NFL.

Forte didn't have knee surgery. He sprained his MCL.
 
If we tag Gronk.


Someone will offer a 1st rd pick.

It's two firsts. And if we really thought someone would offer that for a non HOF QB, we could exclusive tag him (top 5 salaries in present season) and then no one could talk to him...
 
It would be pretty extreme to have our skill position starters be:


  • Brady
  • Gronkowski
  • Welker
  • Forte
  • Lloyd
  • Hernandez
 
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It would be pretty extreme to have our skill position starters be:


  • Brady
  • Gronkowski
  • Welker
  • Forte
  • Lloyd
  • Hernandez

....

my God
 
If he can get him for a 2nd and another late pick they should go for it, Forte is a difference maker and a proven commodity. I would rather see the money go to a difference maker on defense but there has to be some reason they are clearing cap room, and to this point i haven't heard any other decent reason than that they are gearing up for a move. It's too early for the Gronk and Hernandez deals and Welker will only save them money against the cap. A trade involving picks for a high quality player is the only reason I can think of for the cap moves.
 
If he can get him for a 2nd and another late pick they should go for it, Forte is a difference maker and a proven commodity. I would rather see the money go to a difference maker on defense but there has to be some reason they are clearing cap room, and to this point i haven't heard any other decent reason than that they are gearing up for a move. It's too early for the Gronk and Hernandez deals and Welker will only save them money against the cap. A trade involving picks for a high quality player is the only reason I can think of for the cap moves.

I really hope this left over $$ will go to the D side. O is fine
 
I really hope this left over $$ will go to the D side. O is fine

I would prefer that as well but if they can get a great player at a good price then they should go for it and be creative in getting other needs taken care of. I would rather have J. Allen for a 2nd + a late pick on a re-done deal but Forte would still be a great pick-up. This team would be really really scary with a dominating RB, especially one as good out of the backfield as Forte, who would give them the kind of play that a Marshall Faulk gave the Rams years ago. Good luck stopping that offense at any time.
 
I really hope this left over $$ will go to the D side. O is fine

Name the D players worth the money. I don't disagree that the Pats need more help on the D side, but over paying for marginal players is not the way to go. If they could get an Osi Umenyora or Jared Allen, I am all up for it as long as Osi isn't going to break the bank (Allen still has time on his contract). But the free agents available aren't exactly the creame of the crop. A few guys could potentially be decent to good starters or great rotation guys, but there is no stud defender available in free agency or potentially even trade.

There are several defenders potentially that are on the trading block, but they don't see to be a good fit. Asante Samuel would be a good addition, but his contract makes him prohibited. Dwight Freeney doesn't fit the system. Keith Rivers is too injury prone. The Dolphins aren't trading Koa Misi to the Pats. The Bills aren't trading Leodis McKelvin to the Pats.
 
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Name the D players worth the money. I don't disagree that the Pats need more help on the D side, but over paying for marginal players is not the way to go. If they could get an Osi Umenyora or Jared Allen, I am all up for it as long as Osi isn't going to break the bank (Allen still has time on his contract). But the free agents available aren't exactly the creame of the crop. A few guys could potentially be decent to good starters or great rotation guys, but there is no stud defender available in free agency or potentially even trade.

There are several defenders potentially that are on the trading block, but they don't see to be a good fit. Asante Samuel would be a good addition, but his contract makes him prohibited. Dwight Freeney doesn't fit the system. Keith Rivers is too injury prone. The Dolphins aren't trading Koa Misi to the Pats. The Bills aren't trading Leodis McKelvin to the Pats.



The money will always be the issue, as those worth it aren't available and those getting cut because of it already have $$$ issues. The only FA "worth it" is Ladarius Webb and that would still cost a 1st and the deal, so the cost is questionable, and every player who could be traded is going to cost picks and have their deal re-done, and although this is the most likely scenario it's always problematic. Overall the patriots are pretty good in this area so it won't surprise me at all if that's what they end up doing.
 
Name the D players worth the money. I don't disagree that the Pats need more help on the D side, but over paying for marginal players is not the way to go. If they could get an Osi Umenyora or Jared Allen, I am all up for it as long as Osi isn't going to break the bank (Allen still has time on his contract). But the free agents available aren't exactly the creame of the crop. A few guys could potentially be decent to good starters or great rotation guys, but there is no stud defender available in free agency or potentially even trade.

There are several defenders potentially that are on the trading block, but they don't see to be a good fit. Asante Samuel would be a good addition, but his contract makes him prohibited. Dwight Freeney doesn't fit the system. Keith Rivers is too injury prone. The Dolphins aren't trading Koa Misi to the Pats. The Bills aren't trading Leodis McKelvin to the Pats.


Not through FA..through a trade or the draft.
 
Not through FA..through a trade or the draft.

I address the trade market. I fully expect the Pats to address the defense in the draft. I would forego a 2nd rounder and a sixth for Forte though if he can be signed for a realistic contract. The Pats could be so good this year with Forte and the addition of Lloyd that the defense could almost be irrelevant because the Pats could score on most drives and eat up a lot of clock doing it.
 
If we tag Gronk.


Someone will offer a 1st rd pick.

The tag is 2 first round picks, so we could match the offer or exclusive rights tag him. I love gronk, and want him to stay and I value him higher than 2 first round picks, but I don't know if some in the organization might decide they like the idea of 2 first round picks, because in 3 years we might be looking at a replacement for Brady, and with what we saw for the RG3 trade, having an extra two first rounders would make it a lot easier to trade up for a franchise QB assuming what we have now doesn't pan out. Then again, there is nothing better for a young QB than an elite TE, even better with two.
 
Haven't we had 2 dozen pages of this topic already. Its not going to happen for 2 specific reasons

1. BB has NEVER paid top market dollar to any RB, and he's not going to start now. Forte has already turned down $7MM/year, and BB isn't going to play him anything CLOSE to that.

2. I think BB feels we already have 2 guys (Vareen/Ridley) on the roster who can each be 3 down RBs in this league. Maybe not as good, but close enough to make sure the running game is what the offense needs. And then again either might wind up being better.

Its really not about how good Forte is and how nicely he'd fit on our team, but rather how good are the people we already have and the use of limited resources to get Forte. Resources that can be use more effectively elsewhere.
 
Schefter reported both teams say "no way."

Good.....It's done then. Two or three years ago what he said was gospel, now not so much.
DW Toys

P.S. Who knows if true unless Evan read Incarcerated blabs and why would either Team even remotely suggest it was a possibility even to the great AS? You could waterboard BB and he would say nope!
 
Curran allegedly referred to Fortetoday on the radio. I didn't hearit, but was told. Fwiw...
 
Forte probably has 2-3 dominant seasons left. I'd be fine giving up assets/big $ for him.
 
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