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Richard Seymour Voted Pats HOF 2020 INDUCTEE


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Well-deserved. DL still matters, but it mattered much more back then.
For a few years he was the best in the NFL. So versatile. So freakin quick.34 de,43 dt, nt.
Passrusher, runstopper could do it all.
Pats had some really good defensive players in that 1st dynasty but he was the best.
Houston Antwine should be inducted into Canton first.

But he won't.
 
I vaguely remember him. But I know he was a helluva player. One of the best Patriots D players from the 60's.
I remember Buono much better but a play- making lb was much easier to follow for a young kid to follow.
Antwine probably never got the credit he deserved, like a lot of great afl players.
 
Looking back at the 2001 run to the SB, the inclusion of Big Sey into the starting lineup was a far greatest catalyst for team success than game manager Tompa.
Big Sey’s dominance and versatility from the very beginning allowed BB/Romeo to deploy an attacking morphing defense without shuffling players in and out. Big Sey’s mere presence forced offenses to concentrate on him, allowing Patriot teammates to thrive, to attack. Big Sey was the straw that stirred that drink. My Pats MVP that season and subsequent seasons.
Brady was on training wheels in ‘01, dinking and dunking . Big Sey was dominating seasoned pros from the get go.

Congrats big guy!

and

Fu*% the Fat Tuna
 
Ah! Shouldn't even be considered. He was good at everything. Which means he was great at nothing. :)

On a side note, it was Ron Borges who actually made the case to the Pro Football Hall of Fame committee last year to try to get Seymour inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
 
I vaguely remember him. But I know he was a helluva player. One of the best Patriots D players from the 60's.
I remember Buono much better but a play- making lb was much easier to follow for a young kid to follow.
Antwine probably never got the credit he deserved, like a lot of great afl players.
Remembering Patriot DT Houston Antwine - PatsFans.com

Houston Antwine was born on April 11, 1939. He was one of the best players in football history that is not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Antwine is also the greatest player in Patriot history that most Pats fans don’t know about.

Antwine played in 142 games over eleven seasons for the Patriots. 270 pounds may not be big by today’s standards, but in 1961 it was. Houston Antwine was a man among boys, constantly commanding double or even triple teams by opposing offenses. He wasn’t just some big slug though; Antwine was extremely athletic, using skills he had acquired as a collegiate wrestling champion. ’Twine was not only strong but also very quick on his feet, and nearly impossible to move out of the middle. He was also a well-rounded, versatile player; not only devastating against the run, but also tenacious on his pass rush, totaling 39 sacks in his career and leading the Pats in sacks three straight years.

Borges acknowledged Antwine's passing by writing a piece in which he stated,

“Houston Antwine was the kind of football player you don’t forget if you ever saw him, but he’s the kind few remember today because he did his playing before ESPN highlight shows existed. If they had, ‘Twine would have been a staple because he was everything you wanted in a defensive tackle — Warren Sapp before there was a Warren Sapp, but without the need for volume control.”

Antwine was an AFL All-Star six straight years, and was named to the All-Time All-AFL Team. Now stop and think about that for a moment. If a player that was named to the NFL’s all time team of the decade for say the 1990’s or 2000’s that also went to six consecutive Pro Bowls, would there even be any discussion as to whether or not he should be voted in to the Pro Football Hall of Fame? Probably not. Yet Antwine earned identical honors that just so happened to be at an earlier time. Why was he be penalized for that?

Perhaps the biggest reason is because it took far too long for his own team to honor him. The Pats set up their team Hall of Fame in 1991. John Hannah was the original inductee, in the same year he became the first Patriot enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The following year Nick Buoniconti and Gino Cappelletti got their bust at Patriot Place. Antwine was arguably more deserving than these two legends though. Buoniconti is more well known for his championships in Miami rather than his seven seasons with the Patriots. And as good as Cappelletti was he was never the league’s premier player at a position the way Antwine was.

Legitimate cases can be made for those three over Antwine, but not for the next group. In 1993 the Pats’ HoF added three more players from the sixties. Nothing against Bob Dee, Jim Lee Hunt or Babe Parilli, but Houston Antwine was a far more dominant football player. In terms of the Hall of Fame the Patriots were ‘on to the seventies and eighties’ after that, for all intents done with AFL-era players.

Yes, the Patriots eventually did add Antwine to the hall in 2015. Sadly it was four years after he passed away. He deserved to go in twenty-plus years earlier, while he was still alive. So why did that not happen? His play on the field was such that he deserved to be the first player after John Hannah to enter the Patriot Hall of Fame.

Rumor has it that some of the old time writers did not care for him. Maybe he wasn’t friendly enough with the old guard and they held a grudge. He was one of 22 players to boycott the 1965 AFL all star game in New Orleans, where Jim Crow laws and blatant racism still prevailed; maybe that protest against conditions there had something to do with it.

Regardless of the reason, it started a vicious circle. The thought process was that if Antwine’s own team would not honor him, he couldn’t have been good enough for the Pro Football Hall of Fame – who already were showing an obvious bias against consideration for AFL players.

More time passed, and fewer and fewer writers and fans were old enough to remember or appreciate Antwine. The thinking of those nominating and voting for for the Patriot Hall of Fame mirrored that of those voting for enshrinement to Canton. On the rare occasion his name was brought up it was quickly dismissed. The sentiment was that ‘he couldn’t have been that good if all these other old timers are in and he is not’.

Commencing in 2011 a ten-person senior committee was formed. They were scheduled to convene and have the option of adding one Patriot that had been retired for at least 25 years. It seemed like such a no-brainer; Antwine surely would finally be honored in Foxboro. He had already been a finalist three times, futily up against more recent and recognizable players. Incredibly his election still did not happen. Jon Morris was a good guy with a nice career but he was not close to the same level of player as Houston Antwine. Apparently the old time writers refused to let go of whatever grudges they were holding on to.

In December of 2005 Antwine was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. The disease was allegedly caused by repeated blows to the head from his playing days, back when concussions were just “dings” and players were expected to just shake it off and keep going. Houston Antwine passed away in December of 2011 at the age of 72, a few months after Morris was inducted to the Pats Hall of Fame. The senior committee must have felt a bit of remorse; they then voted Antwine in the next time they met.

Like ostracism (racism?) against Julius Adams, this is still a disgrace. This committee will possibly never in my lifetime carefully consider “forgotten” players, and not simply cast their ballot for the most recently retired star.


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APF- thanks for that.
I've given you a hard time before over the uni thing, but this was really cool.
I got an education on one of the Patriots greats.
Sadly, I agree racism probably had something to do with it. I lived through those times and it was rampant.
He should've been enshrined when he was alive but recency bias is a fact.
The longer he didn't get in, the harder it was.
Well done,man.
 
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