Revis turned down a lot of $$ this last offseason to sign with us

[slash83]

How can Revis demand to be payed more than Sherman? He's not clearly better than him.

Lol

 

[IllegalContact]

I wonder if he gets a ring if he changes his tune and goes for max $, will be interesting to see.

Part of me says that if the pats win the SB, the next couple of years would bring more than usual in terms of changes......first, after winning the SB, there's no place to go but down......2nd, there will be some who will want to leverage that success into a bigger payday than the pats would give them.......it is what it is, everyone deserves to benefit maximally if they can.

an SB win would change things.......although there does not appear to be much difficulty keeping most of this team intact

 

[goheels22002]

I agree with this. I've said all along that I would be shocked if Revis accepted a $12M deal, and that anything under $15M/year should be considered a bargain for the Pats. I think it's pretty simple: the top CBs currently make $14M AAV, the top defensive player $16M. Pay Revis as the highest CB, but slightly less than Watt. That's why I've suggested something like a 4 year/$60M deal with $45M guaranteed. I think that's something you could sell Revis on, but I would be surprised if he takes much less than that.

Having Arrington, Chung, Browner, Harmon and Ryan all signed through 2016 signals to McCourty and Revis that the Patriots will have stability in the secondary. That's a good unit with a solid mix of youth and veteran experience. They'll all have multiple AFC Championship games under their belts after Sunday. Amazing.

Revis turns 30 in 2015. Four years is the absolute maximum the Patriots should go. I like the idea of $45 million guaranteed and back-end incentives when Revis might be looking to limit his snaps or take on a new role. There will come a time when he might convert to safety like Rod Woodson did to extend his career, and take snaps on obvious passing downs (if that means anything in the current pass-happy NFL.)

Willie McGinest said on NFLN on Saturday that Revis has said that the Patriots is the best run football operation he's been associated with. (Not a surprise after being with the Jets and having run off with the circus when Greg Sciano traded for him.) McGinest said, "Revis isn't going anywhere." He went on to say that players like Revis want to be measured by titles and success on the field and the Patriots offer the best opportunity to do that.

I don't know if that is good information or wishful thinking by McGinest, but he's stayed close to the Patriots and his teammates since he retired.

 

[Mogamedogz]

How can Revis demand to be payed more than Sherman? He's not clearly better than him.

It's simple Richard Sherman has no chance of hitting FA. He's locked up. Revis knows that if he hits the market someone will in all likelihood give him it. Classic supply and demand.

In a passing league, great potential HOF shut down cornerbacks do not come cheap because there are only a few to be had. One could argue that there are more "elite" QB's than there are corners.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Having Arrington, Chung, Browner, Harmon and Ryan all signed through 2016 signals to McCourty and Revis that the Patriots will have stability in the secondary. .

Im not so sure I'd feel so stable with that secondary. Just saying.

 

[goheels22002]

Im not so sure I'd feel so stable with that secondary. Just saying.

If/when they re-sign Revis and McCourty through 2016 and beyond, the Patriots will have the most stable secondary since the early 2000s. The revolving door of corners and safeties since 2006 has been maddening. Even the 2007 and 2008 teams with Rodney Harrison were shaky when the secondary started turning over.

Revis and McCourty have to be top priorities this off-season. The good news is that they have Revis under contract for 2015, but at an absurd cap number, and they can franchise McCourty. The best outcome would be two long-term deals.

Browner is the oldest member of the secondary at 30-years-old. He's signed for the next two years.

It's hard to remember the last off-season when a pressing need wasn't the secondary. No need to draft a corner or safety in 2015 unless someone special drops into the Patriots' laps.

 

[SalemPats]

In the short term Revis can make more money, but in the long-term having a couple of rings with the Patriots is more marketable afterwards.

 

[Miguel]

Ok so he can demand 14.2, how is he getting to 16 million? And what leverage does Revis have that Sherman and Peterson did not?

Peterson and Sherman were under already contract at low salaries and then could be franchised when they hit free agency. If Revis does not like the deal that the Patriots offer, he forces the Pats to either pay him $20 million this year (getting 16 million a year over two years) or to release him. Unlike Peterson and Sherman, he cannot be franchised.

 

[Miguel]

In other words, Revis can refuse to talk to the Pats and force the Patriots to make a decision. That is leverage.

If Richard Sherman did not talk to the Seahawks about an extension, he would have played the 2014 season at his salary of $1.43 million salary and be franchised this offseason and maybe next offseason.
20 million is a lot more leverage than $1.43 million.

 

[Marqui]

In other words, Revis can refuse to talk to the Pats and force the Patriots to make a decision.
If Richard Sherman did not talk to the Seahawks about an extension, he would have played the 2014 season at his salary of $1.43 million salary and be franchised this offseason and maybe next offseason.
20 million is a lot more leverage than $1.43 million.

Why would he do all this when he said he doesn't have to be the highest paid corner?

 

[Miguel]

Why would he do all this when he said he doesn't have to be the highest paid corner?

Just illustrating the difference in leverage that Revis has versus Sherman.

 

[SalemPats]

why are we comparing **** Sherman to Revis. Sherman is not even his team's best secondary player. Earl Thomas is way better

 

[Miguel]

why are we comparing **** Sherman to Revis. Sherman is not even his team's best secondary player. Earl Thomas is way better

Because no one thinks that Revis is going to agree to a Earl Thomas deal (10M APY). Comparing a cornerback to a cornerback is a reasonable approach when there are different values for each position.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

How can Revis demand to be payed more than Sherman? He's not clearly better than him.

Is that a joke? Sherman won't leave his side of the field even if the best WR moves... Revis is #1 in the NFL and this year proved it IMO

 

[mgteich]

What you are all forgetting is that there is something revis is first and foremost, even before being a "mercenary"

And that is a competitor, and a competitor is not happy going into work every day and losing every week, if the pats offer 13/14 per yr he will stay (ragardlrss if he wins SB this yr or not) bc that is about the right value for him as one of the best cbs in football, and bc he would want to be happy and winning, and NE is the best place to do that

You are presuming that no acceptable competitor would offer Revis more than $13/14M per year.

 

[Ross12]

Sherman has a ring, could have two after this year. Or they could both have one after this year. Could be the next step in the "who's best" argument. I think Revis wants rings as much as he wants money. I don't think he leaves as long as he's happy with what the Pats are willing to pay, and I think they'll pay.

 

[mgteich]

Revis already said he doesn't have to be highest paid CB in league...just in the ball park. I won't be shocked if he takes a deal that makes him #2-3 CB paid. He took less money with us this year compared to what other teams were offering and could offer. So it already happened once

Revis "already" accepted a contract for $16M a year from the patriots. Who was it that offered more?

I expect Revis to be the highest paid corner in the game. However, that is hollow title. What really matters is the compensation that Revis will actually receive.

For example, consider this 4/$64M contract. Surely $16M AAV is plenty? Well, that depends on the amount of guaranteed money. If only $25M is guaranteed, this is essentially a 2 year contract $12.5M, with a 3rd year option at $15M (a great deal for the patriots). Guarantee $40M (perhaps with a requirement of an injury insurance policy) and this becomes a 3-year deal at $13.3M, still a great deal for the patriots. Guarantee $45M and this becomes a more likely deal to be signed.

Signing Bonus - $20M
2015 - $2M
2016 - $3M
2017 - $15M
2018 - $ 25M

 

[ALP]

You are presuming that no acceptable competitor would offer Revis more than $13/14M per year.

not really assuming anything...there IS no true competitor, and the last decade and a half has shown it

you want a year in year out chance at a ring? the patriots is your only true option

 

[supafly]

Why would he do all this when he said he doesn't have to be the highest paid corner?

Just to clarify his comments, he claimed that "he doesn't necessarily have to be the highest paid CB, as long as the money given was reasonably in comparison to the other players (such as Sherman, Peterson, and Haden)."

That basically just says that he wouldn't turn down a contract just because it wasn't 14.01 million dollars a year AAV, that's all...He obviously is going to want something in the 13-14 million AAV range. We already knew that coming in.

 

[supafly]

not really assuming anything...there IS no true competitor, and the last decade and a half has shown it

you want a year in year out chance at a ring? the patriots is your only true option

While N.England may be constantly competitive, they also haven't won a SB in 10+ years, so I don't think everyone sees it as well as we tend to. There have been plenty of free agents who have passed up the opportunity to play here.

There are plenty of other teams that one could argue are competitive, or who have won SB's lately.