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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.The modern version of acupuncture, with "pressure points" and "meridans", dates to 1957. That date is somewhat easy to remember, since the number 57 is also the current number of controlled clinical trials that demonstrate its ineffectiveness.
Sure there are ancient writings referring to needles used for bloodletting, a practice that did remain mainstream for thousands of years.
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I certainly don't mind it if you use any placebo you like. Just don't make me pay for it or try to describe it as scientifically validated "medicine".
Older guy's perspective here.
Core strength training has been key to my being able to stay reasonably fit for decades. I had a weak lower back when young but strengthened the surrounding muscles and have no back problems or aches and pains decades later. Pilates and other core strength training like aerobic kickboxing for older guys can keep you fit and able to avoid falls or take them w/o injury, I can't emphasize enough how important it is to start and maintain an approach such as advocated here if you want to feel good when older. My only problem is a few LBS around the gut that I'd need more discipline than I have to get rid of it.
After the Shakey Weights episode on Hard Knocks..
Trying to envision Rexy introducing Pilates or Acupuncture, my brain is having difficult wrapping around this stuff..
Science tends to be limited by what we already know. Like I said in an earlier post, I have a doctor friend (neurologist) who's as staunch a scientific advocate as you're apt to find, yet he endorses acupuncture. He admits that it's based on a sort of energy medicine that science doesn't yet have the means to identify.
to step away from the merits of eastern medicine, can anyone explain how this exceptional workout regime that BB is lauded with implementing has caused this team to get completely bullied in the three most important games they've played since Feb 2008? They've simply been out muscled in the trenches, can't bring guys down and been at a severe physical disadvantage in general.
Pilates was invented as boxer training.
Acupuncture doesn't seem to have any effect aside from placebo but at least it is harmless.
It's lasted 5,000 years because it became ingrained in Chinese culture, not because it's been proven to work. The placebo effect is incredibly easy to fool people with.You are so dead wrong on that. If acupuncture wasn't effective in any way it wouldn't have survived for 5,000 years. That's older than Western medicine.
Acupuncture doesn't seem to have any effect aside from placebo but at least it is harmless.
It's lasted 5,000 years because it became ingrained in Chinese culture, not because it's been proven to work. The placebo effect is incredibly easy to fool people with.
Bloodletting with leeches was used for 2,000 years. Are you going to ask for leeches next time you go to the doctor?
It's lasted 5,000 years because it became ingrained in Chinese culture, not because it's been proven to work. The placebo effect is incredibly easy to fool people with.
Bloodletting was used for 2,000 years. Are you going to ask for leeches next time you go to the doctor?
So because leech saliva contains some chemicals that might be beneficial for a few medical conditions, you think bloodletting is a legitimate medical practice?
It's lasted 5,000 years because it became ingrained in Chinese culture, not because it's been proven to work.
So because leech saliva contains some chemicals that might be beneficial for a few medical conditions, you think bloodletting is a legitimate medical practice?
I'm sure you'll be cutting yourself right open next time you have an upper respiratory infection.
Western medicine has a superiority complex. Everything needs a rational explanation and "proven" data behind it. They can't quantify why some things that make "no fundamental sense" working as "unproven", "untested" or simply "placebo".I would characterize that as an insult to Chinese medicine as well as the culture.