Report: Mac was reaching out to other coaches about his frustrations with the offense

[Ian]

Stevenson
Meyers
Judon

Those three are safe choices, no?

That's about it. It's just weird where as before there weren't all these touchy situations. It's odd.

 

[venecol]

Also, that's 21yds air yards in under a second - 15.9 mph doesn't compute. Zappe definitely threw it harder than that.

You're right, it's 47.7 mph. Mac's is at 56.5 mph. Forgot to multiple yards by 3. Oops.

 

[Ian]

You're right, it's 47.7 mph. Mac's is at 56.5 mph. Forgot to multiple yards by 3. Oops.

LOL, I cheated and have this bookmarked:

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[Ian]

or 2) two 1st round picks with Zappe as the starter (with possibly an established veteran QB brought in as the backup).

Doesn't matter if it's Mac or Bailey - they need to add a playmaker to this offense. Every young QB around the league who is really having success has a top guy. Gotta take advantage of this window $$-wise and add one. Regardless of who ends up under center.

 

[venecol]

I'll even go on a different tangent. Even coming up with photos to use on social media is a challenge. The hatred of Mac is one where you can't use him. People get mad if you post one of Bill, etc. The only real safe one appears to be Rhamondre, who nobody seems to get mad at. Ran into that quite a bit all season. Not a lot of players fans really love on this team right now like they did in previous seasons.

Judon is another. Marcus Jones. Onwenu.

I just hate Tavai.

 

[Ian]

Judon is another. Marcus Jones. Onwenu.

I just hate Tavai.

Marcus Jones didn't become somebody anyone cared about until midseason, but I agree with you. Just didn't have anybody really from week three in that middle area where all of a sudden it became an issue (or I guess Week 6 or 7 after the Bears game - Zappe was obviously popular while he was playing) And I love Onwenu - but most casual fans don't care about offensive linemen unless they're playing poorly.

 

[Tunescribe]

So you're saying Zappe's velocity is 16% slower than Macs?

If you take some time to examine Zappe's delivery he often appears to aim and heave the ball with all his might, no "snap" to his arm motion. That's not a knock on the role he provided but doesn't suggest starter potential, specifically regarding arm strength. He needs to get stronger overall and hopefully will make strides this offseason.

 

[venecol]

The argument had to do with arm strength, not the release time. So it's based on the time and distance from the release to the time it reaches the receiver. Two throws, Mac's is 20yds, Zappe's is 21 (both air yards). Mac threw his flat-footed, Zappe had to crow-hop and gun it. It was basically for all the people that said Mac had a weaker arm. It just isn't the case, at least right now.

Again, as I said in another post, that could change over the offseason as Mac has a year on Zappe in terms of strength/conditioning, etc.

But they aren't the same type of conditions. You can't draw conclusions based on distance alone if one is to lead a wide open receiver to get YAC and the other is to a receiver that's about to get tackled by an oncoming DB. The crow hop may just be to make sure the throw was accurate enough to lead him. Anyway, your mind is made up, so moving on.

 

[Ian]

If you take some time to examine Zappe's delivery he often appears to aim and heave the ball with all his might, no "snap" to his arm motion. That's not a knock on the role he provided but doesn't suggest starter potential either, specifically regarding arm strength. He needs to get stronger overall and hopefully will make strides this offseason.

He's got a weird release too, which I didn't notice before I did this. Arm angle is a little off which explains the batted balls. Guessing he'll benefit quite a bit just like Mac did from working with somebody there.

 

[Tunescribe]

He's got a weird release too, which I didn't notice before I did this. Arm angle is a little off which explains the batted balls. Guessing he'll benefit quite a bit just like Mac did from working with somebody there.

I forgot to mention that, it's about a quarter to a third sidearm.

 

[Ian]

But they aren't the same type of conditions. You can't draw conclusions based on distance alone if one is to lead a wide open receiver to get YAC and the other is to a receiver that's about to get tackled by an oncoming DB. The crow hop may just be to make sure the throw was accurate enough to lead him. Anyway, your mind is made up, so moving on.

LOL, stop, he reels back and fires it - I'm only basing it on what I'm seeing and to be honest with you, I had to dig through a ton of plays to find one of that distance where he really put any effort into it. Not a lot of long "gotta have it" throws from what I could find.

Again, Mac throws his flat-footed. Bailey, hopped and fired his in. And my mind wasn't made up, I wanted to know after listening to all these people talk about Bailey's arm vs Mac's if there was any validity to it. Mac's got him - for now. But it's not like there's a significant margin.

As I said, Mac worked with top-level throwing coaches all last offseason, Bailey didn't. Guessing he's going to be a lot better this time next year, and I hope that happens.

So no, my mind isn't made up. This isn't Garoppolo vs Tom - I was extremely partial to Tom thanks to the resume. If Bailey has the better camp, or if they're even in camp but Mac falters, I'm fine with however this plays out.

 

[RIpats88]

It's still hilarious to me that fans think A QB going into year 3 has reached full development. Tua and jaylen Hurts would be out the door since both were mediocre their second years...

And also even more hilarious that they believe zappe is a star in the waiting after 1 good game against a poor defense. (Sorry, lions game/Packers were mediocre and bears was horrible) imagine if he put up Brock purdy numbers.

It's like half the board has never watched an NFL game.

Not saying zappe won't become a star or Mac improves. But holding onto these opinions so strongly is just bizarre. I've seen plenty of average QBs put up numbers better than zappes for longer stretches. And I've seen QBs make a jump suddenly with better talent/coaching. Maybe it will happen maybe they won't.

But dieing on the hill of zappe good, Mac bad must go is a strange hill to die on at this point.

 

[Ian]

But dieing on the hill of zappe good, Mac bad must go is a strange hill to die on at this point.

My bigger issue at this point are the people rooting for the guy to fail. Instead of talking about the positives he had from the game, they zero in on whatever moment it wasn't perfect. It was like the people who killed him for completing a 20+ yd throw to Henry because the ball fluttered on the way after he got hit as he was releasing it. Not happy with the completion, they were instead mad about the style points. That's really the more maddening thing. And I don't think I'll ever understand why people sit there always waiting - and seemingly hoping - for the other shoe to drop.

 

[Bruins29]

I'm getting Brady/Bledsoe vibes all over again. Ahhhh, the good ole days

 

[203Pat]

I think the Mac vs Zappe arm debating is basically splitting hairs. I don’t think either one has a good arm and that is a big reason why Mac struggled. He doesn't have the physical tools to overcome this dysfunctional of an offense. He makes up for a lack of arm strength with timing and anticipation and there certainly wasn't much of that this season.

 

[Ian]

I'm getting Brady/Bledsoe vibes all over again. Ahhhh, the good ole days

That’s was way different. Brady at least won the Super Bowl

 

[RIpats88]

My bigger issue at this point are the people rooting for the guy to fail. Instead of talking about the positives he had from the game, they zero in on whatever moment it wasn't perfect. It was like the people who killed him for completing a 20+ yd throw to Henry because the ball fluttered on the way after he got hit as he was releasing it. Not happy with the completion, they were instead mad about the style points. That's really the more maddening thing. And I don't think I'll ever understand why people sit there always waiting - and seemingly hoping - for the other shoe to drop.

100% agree. I don't get patriots fans who have made their decision to hate Mac and hope he fails.

It's like they will be upset if he becomes good and the team succeeds If it's not "their guy" a guy who we have barely seen.

 

[203Pat]

That’s was way different. Brady at least won the Super Bowl

Both players, even at that time, are lightyears better than Mac or Zappe.

 

[Bruins29]

That’s was way different. Brady at least won the Super Bowl

True but the discussions were intense like this.

 

[crawhammer]

Doesn't matter if it's Mac or Bailey - they need to add a playmaker to this offense. Every young QB around the league who is really having success has a top guy. Gotta take advantage of this window $$-wise and add one. Regardless of who ends up under center.

Who has Lamar ever had? Not much at WR. Andrews is a very good TE but he's no Kelce.