Report: Mac was reaching out to other coaches about his frustrations with the offense

[crawhammer]

If Raiders want Mac, do you trade Mac for Raider's first rounder?

LOL! No way the Raiders give this even a half second of thought. Mac is not nearly worth the 7th overall pick in the draft. Also, Carr is better than Mac. Also, Stidham might be better than Mac. Think about that.

 

[sb1]

LOL! No way the Raiders give this even a half second of thought. Mac is not nearly worth the 7th overall pick in the draft. Also, Carr is better than Mac. Also, Stidham might be better than Mac. Think about that.

Carr yes Stidham no

 

[Ian]

So Zappe's throw is 15.9 mph which is incredibly slow. That tells me he was trying to give it touch to lead wide open receiver to YAC since he had 3 steps on the coverage. He gets 5-6 YAC. It wasn't a tight window throw at all.

Mac's throw is at 17.9 mph, also slow but in between 2 defenders. He needed to get ball in faster because there was a DB coming from the other side. Receiver gets maybe 1 YAC.

These aren't the same type of conditions at all.

What is going on in this forum: first @Ross12 is a Mac-hater, now Ian a Zappe-hater. Very negative and toxic place. Lol

LOL, you can interpret it any way you want. The visual, distance, and time are what they are. You can see him crow-hop twice and try and rifle it in there.

Again, Mac has the edge due to working with NFL trainers for a year compared to Zappe, who I doubt got the same training where he went to school as Mac did in the SEC. Zappe's also a little stockier, so maybe he ends up at Mac's level or even a little stronger next summer due to his body type. Zero issue with him pushing for the job. We need more production next year, regardless of how it shakes out.

 

[Ian]

LOL! No way the Raiders give this even a half second of thought. Mac is not nearly worth the 7th overall pick in the draft. Also, Carr is better than Mac. Also, Stidham might be better than Mac. Think about that.

That's a "no". When Mac starts making "WTF" throws with regularity, then we can have that conversation - and I was a big Stidham person. However, right now, it's not even close.

 

[Ian]

So Zappe's throw is 15.9 mph which is incredibly slow. That tells me he was trying to give it touch to lead wide open receiver to YAC since he had 3 steps on the coverage. He gets 5-6 YAC. It wasn't a tight window throw at all.

Mac's throw is at 17.9 mph, also slow but in between 2 defenders. He needed to get ball in faster because there was a DB coming from the other side. Receiver gets maybe 1 YAC.

These aren't the same type of conditions at all.

What is going on in this forum: first @Ross12 is a Mac-hater, now Ian a Zappe-hater. Very negative and toxic place. Lol

Also, that's 21yds air yards in under a second - 15.9 mph doesn't compute. Zappe definitely threw it harder than that.

 

[h0c2000]

So Zappe's throw is 15.9 mph which is incredibly slow. That tells me he was trying to give it touch to lead wide open receiver to YAC since he had 3 steps on the coverage. He gets 5-6 YAC. It wasn't a tight window throw at all.

Mac's throw is at 17.9 mph, also slow but in between 2 defenders. He needed to get ball in faster because there was a DB coming from the other side. Receiver gets maybe 1 YAC.

These aren't the same type of conditions at all.

What is going on in this forum: first @Ross12 is a Mac-hater, now Ian a Zappe-hater. Very negative and toxic place. Lol

You need to check your math on the speed. Zappe is closer to 48 mph. Mac is about 58 based on the time and distance given.

 

[203Pat]

This keeps coming up but there is no indication that he called Josh. They never mention Josh. It seems likely that Josh would be someone he reached out to given his former relationship, but its not a given. He could've called any of his 3 former college OCs for all we know, incl. BoB.

Agree. I just used Josh but I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone so close to Bill. Not that BOB or some of his other coaches don't know Bill but Josh is the most recent and I am sure still the closest outside of everyone other than Saban.

 

[Ian]

So Zappe's throw is 15.9 mph which is incredibly slow.

It's actually 47.7273 miles per hour. Not horrible.

 

[Ian]

Mac's throw is at 17.9 mph

Mac's is 53.8278 miles per hour

 

[crawhammer]

That's a "no". When Mac starts making "WTF" throws with regularity, then we can have that conversation - and I was a big Stidham person. However, right now, it's not even close.

Stidham looked surprisingly competent against two very difficult opponents. Good movement in the pocket. Arm strength was better than I remembered. Looks like Josh has done some good work with Stidham.

If my choices are 1) trade my 7th overall pick for Mac or 2) keep the pick and start Stidham then I'm going with the second option for sure.

 

[Ross12]

I don't think the calendar has any bearing on Mac remaining the quarterback. Is Belichick running the pro shop too?

Your chosen name for the "club" is a bit harsh as well.

I noticed the calendar contains September through December 2022, and all of the pictures of Mac have him wearing that large knee brace he wore last year (different than the smaller one he wore this year) and most pictures feature opponents that they did not play this year (Texans, Chargers). So it seems clear to me all photos are from 2021 and the calendar was created before the 2022 season had even been played and has likely been for sale since September of 2022...

 

[Ian]

Stidham looked surprisingly competent against two very difficult opponents. Good movement in the pocket. Arm strength was better than I remembered. Looks like Josh has done some good work with Stidham.

If my choices are 1) trade my 7th overall pick for Mac or 2) keep the pick and start Stidham then I'm going with the second option for sure.

You can have the guy with the strongest arm in the world, doesn't help if he throws it to the other team. The knock on Stidham was/is the turnovers. Which is disappointing because I was rooting for him here in 2020 and had hoped he'd go on a tear now that Josh was moving on from Carr. Glad Josh took him and we at least got something back for him.

 

[Ross12]

You can have the guy with the strongest arm in the world, doesn't help if he throws it to the other team. The knock on Stidham was/is the turnovers. Which is disappointing because I was rooting for him here in 2020 and had hoped he'd go on a tear now that Josh was moving on from Carr. Glad Josh took him and we at least got something back for him.

I think Stidham has all the physical tools except what's upstairs, personally...

 

[crawhammer]

LOL, you can interpret it any way you want. The visual, distance, and time are what they are. You can see him crow-hop twice and try and rifle it in there.

Again, Mac has the edge due to working with NFL trainers for a year compared to Zappe, who I doubt got the same training where he went to school as Mac did in the SEC. Zappe's also a little stockier, so maybe he ends up at Mac's level or even a little stronger next summer due to his body type. Zero issue with him pushing for the job. We need more production next year, regardless of how it shakes out.

Let's say the Patriots can actually find a team to give up their 1st round pick for Mac. Which would you rather have?: 1) one 1st round pick with Mac and Zappe competing for QB1 in camp or 2) two 1st round picks with Zappe as the starter (with possibly an established veteran QB brought in as the backup).

 

[notex]

It's not. Did a comparison on that:

Mac:


Zappe:


Mac has the stronger arm, at least at this point in time.

Although, again, as I said previously, it's not a 100% fair comparison. Mac had an entire offseason to get stronger, which Zappe didn't have being a rookie. He'll have that now, so we'll see if things change when we see him again in training camp.

No disrespect, Ian, but I don't really understand what this analysis proves? On this one throw, even if they are same yardage, Mac throws it quicker? But hes also throwing it straight up the seam where Zappe is throwing almost to the numbers. His receiver looked to have a bit more separation as well making it not as necessary to "gun it" in. Im sure I could find you a clip where Josh Allen throws it slower than Mac but does that prove he has a stronger arm?

I really have no dog in the fight but I hardly think this one clip can put this argument to rest...

I honestly have no clue who has a stronger arm. Neither has a cannon though.

 

[Ian]

I noticed the calendar contains September through December 2022, and all of the pictures of Mac have him wearing that large knee brace he wore last year (different than the smaller one he wore this year) and most pictures feature opponents that they did not play this year (Texans, Chargers). So it seems clear to me all photos are from 2021 and the calendar was created before the 2022 season had even been played and has likely been for sale since September of 2022...

I'll even go on a different tangent. Even coming up with photos to use on social media is a challenge. The hatred of Mac is one where you can't use him. People get mad if you post one of Bill, etc. The only real safe one appears to be Rhamondre, who nobody seems to get mad at. Ran into that quite a bit all season. Not a lot of players fans really love on this team right now like they did in previous seasons.

 

[crawhammer]

You can have the guy with the strongest arm in the world, doesn't help if he throws it to the other team. The knock on Stidham was/is the turnovers. Which is disappointing because I was rooting for him here in 2020 and had hoped he'd go on a tear now that Josh was moving on from Carr. Glad Josh took him and we at least got something back for him.

I'll cut him some slack for a few picks against two of the best teams in the NFL. Remember these were the first two starts of his career. He looked way better than I anticipated he would.

 

[Ian]

No disrespect, Ian, but I don't really understand what this analysis proves?

The argument had to do with arm strength, not the release time. So it's based on the time and distance from the release to the time it reaches the receiver. Two throws, Mac's is 20yds, Zappe's is 21 (both air yards). Mac threw his flat-footed, Zappe had to crow-hop and gun it. It was basically for all the people that said Mac had a weaker arm. It just isn't the case, at least right now.

Again, as I said in another post, that could change over the offseason as Mac has a year on Zappe in terms of strength/conditioning, etc.

 

[crawhammer]

I'll even go on a different tangent. Even coming up with photos to use on social media is a challenge. The hatred of Mac is one where you can't use him. People get mad if you post one of Bill, etc. The only real safe one appears to be Rhamondre, who nobody seems to get mad at. Ran into that quite a bit all season. Not a lot of players fans really love on this team right now like they did in previous seasons.

Stevenson
Meyers
Judon

Those three are safe choices, no?

 

[Ian]

No disrespect, Ian, but I don't really understand what this analysis proves?

Also, I did these months ago. It just happened to come up again in this thread.