Report: Kraft has had discussions about potentially moving on from Belichick

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Hard to see how he wouldn't have those conversations. 1-5 with the worst offense in the league, and a team that's gotten worse each of the last three years. Only questions are: Would Kraft move on mid-season if things are bad enough? And what would be the miracle threshold for the team to accomplish that would save Bill's job at this point?

Bill would have to at least go 10-7 and win a playoff game imo

 

[Kontradiction]

Bill would have to at least go 10-7 and win a playoff game imo

Yep. I think the vast majority of us would be on board with keeping him then. I just don’t see any way they go 9-2 the rest of the way. Or even 8-3 whilst squeaking into the playoffs by a **** hair. If he somehow managed that, I’d argue it was the finest coaching job of his career considering how bad this roster is.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Yep. I think the vast majority of us would be on board with keeping him then. I just don’t see any way they go 9-2 the rest of the way. Or even 8-3 whilst squeaking into the playoffs by a **** hair. If he somehow managed that, I’d argue it was the finest coaching job of his career considering how bad this roster is.

If they pull off 9-2 I will quit this forum. I hear quitting this forum and putting your pats fans career on the line is something people do nowadays…

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yep. I think the vast majority of us would be on board with keeping him then. I just don’t see any way they go 9-2 the rest of the way. Or even 8-3 whilst squeaking into the playoffs by a **** hair. If he somehow managed that, I’d argue it was the finest coaching job of his career considering how bad this roster is.

They could go 7–10 and win their last six games, with a whole bunch of young, emerging stars making a name from themselves, and I think people would want to keep him, but I don’t see how that happens. The team simply doesn’t have high ceiling rookie deal guys.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

He's made his bed with the media, so now he's gotta lie in it. They've waited 20 years to stick it too him. IMO fans should be defending him, but too many listen to sports radio and get wrapped up in the negativity surrounding Bill.

It's an ugly way to finish, much like Tom Landry and Coughlin before him. The man is a legend, and as poorly as it's ending, the next man surely will not lead the team to 6 more super bowls. But let's run the old bastard out of here and make sure everyone knows what a douche nozzle he is.

It's sad. Everyone has turned on him, forgetting all that was accomplished here.

Sometimes a run has to end before you can appreciate it. I think once Bill retires, we can appreciate the greatness he brought to this franchise. I also just think his time here has come to an end.

 

[Kontradiction]

If they pull off 9-2 I will quit this forum. I hear quitting this forum and putting your pats fans career on the line is something people do nowadays…

I’m still cringing at that last sentence toward me in that post. Holy ****, that’s embarrassing. My toes curled when I read that.

 

[SVN]

Also this is something that people probably won't want to admit, but if Bill Belichick was a more likeable figure, I don't think he's be turned on like this so suddenly. Denver had Elway stinking it up as GM for years, but he was so beloved as a person out there that even when it was obvious he should go the fans didn't like to talk that negatively about him. They were downright uncomfortable. Bill doesn't have that.

look how much love sean payton got when he was out of a job. he won 1 SB with brees .look at tomlin, hasnt won a single SB even with Ben R since 2008 . john harbagh has had lamar for past 3 -4 yrs. but they are all media darlings. peter king can go on coffee rides with john harbaugh so no one asks about him

 

[Jlaff]

Whoever the next guy is better be good or this place will be nothing more than 5 guys jerking off to pictures of dead soldiers in the War thread and Rob telling Ian daily that the Pats latest failing QB is actually a legit NFL starting caliber talent.

 

[Lavictoire]

It’s just their turn. Most teams have had their lows. It was an absurd run of 20 years but some fans can’t accept it’s inevitable to end at some point. Lot of stellar franchises have shoveled **** over the years. Cowboys, 49ers, KC and many more. Just blows me away how entitled and spoiled our fans are by a once in a lifetime QB.

It's the Pat's turn in the barrel.

 

[chasa]

they are compettive now. Ravens were 5-11 one season . So compare the seasons. Sean payton had how many losing seasons with Brees as his QB. Why doesnt he get any heat for that ? And people wanted him here last yr.
No one thought this yr would be worse than last yr with better coaching staff especially after 2 weeks. but here we are. sh*t happens .15 mins in dallas has suddenly exposed 3 yrs of futility(?). Fact is this team is not good mentally and the loss of gonzaless and judon along with the make shift oline has made it worse along with mac regressing even worse than last yr with patricia.

All things where the buck stops with bill
Bill drafted the players, bill traded for the players, bill signed the players.
Bill spent the entire offseason getting spare parts out of the junk drawers of other teams, after letting go or trading reliable players for the last three years.

The Way bill treats the cap is so ****ing backwards from how other teams treat it, and yet the patriots are the team in the dumpster.
Like, for ****s sake the saints were like 100 million dollars over the cap last year, and somehow they worked it out and signed a new qb. And you're telling me we couldn't make a legitimate offer to dhop? We couldn't make a legit offer to any decent RT or guards?

We'd be better off with turnstyles on our oline.

 

[Ring 6]

Well to further on that thought, dumping the coach and staff then trading away any decent vet would almost secure a top 3 pick in every round of next years draft which would help the team a lot more than some moral victory of getting Belicheck back to .500 this year.

Tanking is fools gold.

 

[Toofy]

they are compettive now. Ravens were 5-11 one season . So compare the seasons. Sean payton had how many losing seasons with Brees as his QB. Why doesnt he get any heat for that ? And people wanted him here last yr.
No one thought this yr would be worse than last yr with better coaching staff especially after 2 weeks. but here we are. sh*t happens .15 mins in dallas has suddenly exposed 3 yrs of futility(?). Fact is this team is not good mentally and the loss of gonzaless and judon along with the make shift oline has made it worse along with mac regressing even worse than last yr with patricia.

I think the sheer manner of our losses has us looking more like a high school football team than a NFL team. I think that's the reason for anger, coupled with mismanaging the rookie QB by not getting him weapons and getting a DC as OC.

All this suggests a flippant attitude towards building a winning team and the draft misses started taking a toll.

Bill the GM should have been fired 3-4 seasons ago and six super bowls allowed him the leeway, now the fact that the future looks another 3-4 years away and bill having 0 answer on offensive side of ball makes the divorce an existential necessity.

Bill at age 72 is not going to turn around things , especially this mess. And bill is too rigid in his ways and eventually could be right but we can't take the chance, else instead of a 5 year rebuild we are looking at 7-9 years . It's going to be worse for us before things get better .

The fact that we do not have a single tradable asset ( first or second rounder ) speaks volumes about the talent that has been drafted or groomed. That's squarely on Bill. Titans are the closest to us but at least they have 1 or 2 pro bowlers.

Bill the GM is getting bill the coach getting fired. If Bill can separate those two we can keep him. But considering his stubborn attitude and achievements don't think that's possible.

It's best we part ways with the GOAT coach before we start hearing boos towards the coach in the stands.people are paying money to see some competitive spirit there and not bucketloads of ineptitude that is fished out week in week out.

 

[Triumph]

New QB doesn’t solve the problem of this being the slowest offense in the NFL. One that’s better suited for football in the late 90’s than the current era of offense. And I’m saying this as someone who really doesn’t like Mac, either.

Henry and Gesicki will never see their potential this season.

The Pat's run game is choked off because defenses do not need to be concerned about being beat deep. Pats players are open on the majority of plays, but they might as well be invisible. Its the same BS as Bledsoe who lost because he had no weapons and everyone else did.

 

[Triumph]

BB needs to start Cunningham or Greer right away.

The Playoffs are still in sight

 

[amfootball]

It will be interesting to see if Kraft does fire Bill during the season. I could see him naming Mayo as the interim and then promoting him to HC next year. I also would love to Kraft look at the Niners Director of Player Personnel, Gillen, for the GM spot.

 

[Sect140]

Fire BB? Crazy talk. This is Felger/Adam Jones talk, ugh. If Kraft does fire BB, it will be a disaster and we will all look back at the BB era as the salad days of this organization.

The team can be fixed with one offseason of good drafts and FA signings....but I guess Kraft would have to wrest control of the GM decisions from BB and give it to someone really, really good.

I agree that Bill will not be fired during the season. Is Mayo or BOB going to turn this team around with the talent level?
I also agree that a team can be turned around with a really good offense? Who is going to orchestrate this great off-season? Not to long ago Bill spent a 165 million (forget the exact amount) in guaranteed contracts and brought in a boatload of players, it didn’t seem to help.

 

[Real fan 02]

If Kraft parts ways with BB I always thought after 23 years and 6 titles BB would get the courtesy of resigning or retiring gracefully instead of the team firing him outright.

Now I'm not so sure they will give him that courtesy.

Agreed. I also believe rather than the team just totally loosing out they would also trade him. Of course with his consent. I believe he deserves that much.

 

[Brewskies]

Tough times for the Zappeites. Making predictions that their hero zappy will be the permanent starter after week 5 only to see their boy demoted to third stringer behind not only Mac Jones but Malik Cunningham a guy who the team still doesn't believe is even a QB. Yikes!

Zappe demoted as punishment for saying so many time he did not turnover the ball in the locker room only 3 or 4 stalls from Mac Jones. Remember Butler and the SB loss?

 

[203Pat]

I don’t think Steve is going to get a lot of respect until he coaches under someone other than his dad. Kyle Shanahan, Brian Schottenheimer, Rex Ryan, and Scott Turner all coached multiple spots in the league not under their fathers and I would think most people respect that group quite a bit more.

 

[sb1]

Zappe demoted as punishment for saying so many time he did not turnover the ball in the locker room only 3 or 4 stalls from Mac Jones. Remember Butler and the SB loss?

I heard about that. If true he probably isnt long for the roster anyway.