Reiss: Mankins demands trade, will not sign RFA tender

[skinnydog]

Low balling? 7-8 million per year guards? I know the position has evolved, but that's still a lot for a guard. Even if the Pats offer was 6.5, what's wrong with that? The Pats have other places to spend money.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Low balling? 7-8 million per year guards? I know the position has evolved, but that's still a lot for a guard. Even if the Pats offer was 6.5, what's wrong with that? The Pats have other places to spend money.

Breer says it was about $7M a year :

Pats made big offer, will drop tender - Extra Points - Boston.com

 

[Kontradiction]

$7M is a fair offer, IMO. However, the Pats should have offered it before the Evans deal, at or around the beginning of the offseason. Chances that he would have taken the offer would have probably increased (though I really can't say for sure).

God help this offense, our quarterback, and this team as a whole if either Kaczur or Neal suffers an injury long-term during the season. We'll be looking at a starting guard rotation of Connolly and Ohrnberger, the way things are looking now.

 

[Sciz]

I'm losing respect for Mankins now. He says he was promised that his contract would be addressed. Now top 5 guard money isn't enough? He was never promised that he would become the highest paid, but that's how he's making it sound right now.

 

[IllegalContact]

It's like Deion Branch all over again. You'd think these guys would learn...

maybe you'd think the pats would learn, also

 

[IllegalContact]

What makes you think Mankins is a high character guy? I've always liked Mankins but not because I thought he was a good guy. Just the opposite really.

put it this way, I'd bet he's of higher moral fiber than the head coach of the pats

 

[Nikolai]

put it this way, I'd bet he's of higher moral fiber than the head coach of the pats

Jets troll.

 

[Warren94]

Sports is such a disgrace. Yes they made the offer of 7 M per yr. Mankins just doubled his salary from the restricted tag. I side with the organization especially with a lock out on the horizon.

 

[IllegalContact]

I'm losing respect for Mankins now. He says he was promised that his contract would be addressed. Now top 5 guard money isn't enough? He was never promised that he would become the highest paid, but that's how he's making it sound right now.

I'm sure he does not care if you respect him or not. He has the right to live his life the way he sees fit.

I see this problem both ways. part of this has to be that he knows the pats are kind of screwed without him next year the same way deion branch knew it. the way the pats dealt with branch arguably cost them a trip to the superbowl in 2006.

 

[IllegalContact]

The Pats have other places to spend money.

that's not really mankins' problem now, is it? I am sure there are other teams out there that will give him what he wants in a heartbeat.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Actually, since I noted that it was specifically in comparison to Evans' deal, your comments here are as completely irrelevant, as well as being wrong, presicely because of the specific comparison.



1.) Evans is not a "much better guard" than Mankins. Mankins has his problems, but he's still a top level guard. A 20% drop in the amount of money is a lowball offer in comparison, pretty much by definition:



Lowball - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

2.) The viewing population isn't uninformed if they've gotten to this point in the thread. You're simply wrong.

3.) You apparently don't know the definition of propaganda any better than you understand the words "in comparison to said contract". Perhaps rather than making it personal next time, you should just consult a dictionary and an English textbook.

You're right Doos, you can define low-balling by comparing to one single contract, and say everything else is irrelevant, cuz you only happen to mention one single contract. I've learned a lot... not only does market value mean nothing when citing low-balling while citing a single contract, the fact that the contract cited is silly is irrelevant, since you said so yourself. Your logic is astounding. Truly your words have no spin and could never be perceived as propoganda.

If you keep working at it, citing definitions may work as an aid to your arguments, rather than a hindrance.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Interestingly, the quote from Reiss orignially said the followingt

"I was asked to play '09 out, and that they would address contract after the uncapped year."

Somewhere along the line Reiss changed what it said

"I was asked to play '09 out, and that they would address the contract during the uncapped year," Mankins said.

Logan Mankins says he wants to be traded from the New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

One wonders what Mankins actually said.

At best even "during" the uncapped year is clearly not a conveyance of getting something done in the pre-season.

 

[IllegalContact]

Jets troll.

not at all, I just don't see BB being the authority of how to live life. He's just as human as the next guy and there's no reason for anyone to think BB has the market cornered on what is good in the world

 

[rbh24]

**** him it was clear what he was about.We dont need guys like him.Hopefully we will get a decent return.

 

[IllegalContact]

**** him it was clear what he was about.We dont need guys like him.Hopefully we will get a decent return.

sounds like he's about the same thing the pats are as an organization.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Jackson 2]

that's not really mankins' problem now, is it? I am sure there are other teams out there that will give him what he wants in a heartbeat.

It sure is Mankins' problem. He doesn't control his destiny so what other teams are willing to give him doesn't matter one iota.

 

[IllegalContact]

It sure is Mankins' problem. He doesn't control his destiny so what other teams are willing to give him doesn't matter one iota.

branch 'didn't control his own destiny, either, right?'

a guy who makes a stand can shoot his way out of town. all he has to do is say some crap that blows up the bridges and there is no return. if mankins makes his stand in a way that having him around will be a problem, the pats will have to move him.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

You're right Doos, you can define low-balling by comparing to one single contract, and say everything else is irrelevant, cuz you only happen to mention one single contract. I've learned a lot... not only does market value mean nothing when citing low-balling while citing a single contract, the fact that the contract cited is silly is irrelevant, since you said so yourself. Your logic is astounding. Truly your words have no spin and could never be perceived as propoganda.

If you keep working at it, citing definitions may work as an aid to your arguments, rather than a hindrance.

Perhaps if you'd learn to read posts rather than just jumping on people in such a knee-jerk homer manner, you could have avoid both being wrong and looking foolish. Note my very first post in this thread:

No offense, Logan, but take it up with the NFLPA. The players weren't complaining when the CBA bumped the cap up to over $120 million dollars, after all. I absolutely agree that the RFAs are getting hosed, and there's probably been collusion, but the "trade me" stuff doesn't score points with me. You'd only be moving on to another team that was colluding to keep salaries down, after all.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/344570-reiss-mankins-demands-trade-will-not-sign-rfa-tender.html#post1838308

There is no propaganda or spin in what I've posted about the contract relative to the Evans contract. I leave that to you.

 

[JMarr]

branch 'didn't control his own destiny, either, right?'

a guy who makes a stand can shoot his way out of town. all he has to do is say some crap that blows up the bridges and there is no return. if mankins makes his stand in a way that having him around will be a problem, the pats will have to move him.

Making 1.5M for the 2010 season and on a team like the Chiefs? Now that's amusing.

 

[Jackson 2]

branch 'didn't control his own destiny, either, right?'

a guy who makes a stand can shoot his way out of town. all he has to do is say some crap that blows up the bridges and there is no return. if mankins makes his stand in a way that having him around will be a problem, the pats will have to move him.

No they won't.