Reiss: Mankins demands trade, will not sign RFA tender

[resdubwhite]

oh.

This is bad news. But if as reported he turned his nose up at 7 mill a year.

Good luck and **** you Logan.

So, do patriots use one of the 2011 2nd rd's for another guard or will they stick with what they got?

 

[Marqui]

The thing I don't get is, why does he want to be traded? It's not like any other team in the league is going to give him Jahri Evans money. So how does going to another team help his situation?

 

[resdubwhite]

The thing I don't get is, why does he want to be traded? It's not like any other team in the league is going to give him Jahri Evans money. So how does going to another team help his situation?

Unless its a game of bluff. And knowing the FO. It will soon turn into a game of double bluff.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

The thing I don't get is, why does he want to be traded? It's not like any other team in the league is going to give him Jahri Evans money.

How do we know this? Agents do talk (secretly) to other clubs about the possiblility of contracts, and trades. Just because the NFL rules say they cant, doesnt mean it doesnt happen all the time. Right now, we simply dont have much info. We'll learn more as TC approaches.

 

[BSR]

did mankins cheat on his wife?

is your answer for everything you don't like to hear to call someone a jets fan? are you really that pathetic?

I have no idea if Mankins cheated on his wife, or not. How does the absence of information regarding his relations with his wife make him a high character guy in the locker room? Again, you have nothing.

And no, I only call Jets fans, Jets fans. That is too deep of an insult for anyone else. Looking over your posting history, the only factual information you have is regarding Jets players so it is pretty clear you are a Jets fan.

 

[NE39]

This situation is much simpler than people are making it out to be. Rhetoric is just part of the negotiation strategy, but at the end of the day it is money.

Mankins is likely looking at Jhari Evans contract and wants that ($8M per)

The Patriots are offering less than that, but still quite a lot.

The Patriots hold his rights, but he is not under contract and thus not holding out.

Really, those are the facts. This plays out every year with various teams, and it will ultimately work itself out. This year is a little more complicated because of the CBA uncertainty, but eventually something has to give. Mankins can choose not to play, but he will have to come back at some point or his rights roll over another year and he is in the same position as before.

This will work itself out. Whether that comes in a new contract, a trade, or Mankins eventually signing his tender and reporting, it will work out. It is way too early to panic about this.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Mankins: The mean ol' Patriots lied to me. They said they'd work on my contract during the uncapped year.
Ticket Paying Fan: But, they have been working on your contract.
Mankins: Where I come from, your word is your bond. They lied to me.
Ticket Paying Fan: Um, but isn't the offer they made you one of the 5 highest contracts for a guard in NFL HISTORY?
Mankins: I thought this organization was going to keep it's word. I want to be traded.
Ticket Paying Fan: Let me get this straight. The team said they would address your contract during the uncapped year. They put a HUGE offer on the table. Oh, and by the way, the uncapped year isn't over is it? Typical, spoiled, me-first athlete. Go bail hay or something.

YOU'RE RIGHT MANKINS. SOMEBODY IS LYING. LOOK IN THE MIRROR TO SEE WHO IT IS, YOU SPOILED OVERRATED JERK!

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

According to ProFootballFocus.com, Mankins has given up 6 sacks in the last 4 playoff games, with at least 1 in each game. I honestly don't think Joe Andruzzi during our Super Bowl years would have surrendered that many sacks.

And, Brady was sacked 16 times in all of 2009. I'm sure we can all pull stats out of our butts on any subject to support almost anything, but this is a bad loss no matter how we cut it or spin it.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Man, I hate this.

Look, he guards Tom Brady - Brady likes him, pay him.

Hell, for that matter, Pay them both now.

This is going to blow up big tonight. Too bad the Celtics don't play tonight.

Ditto.
Ditto.
Ditto.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Well I guess we will now have 3 2011 2nd round picks. This is interesting: Kaczur to LG and Vollmer to start at RT???

For some reason I'm ok with this. ....

Great. Now let's just hope Tommy, who hasn't yet signed a new contract, is "OK" with it too...

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

All I can say is f**k you Mankins, hope you get traded and blow out your knee on the first play with your new team. What's this world coming to that 6.5 mill a year is an insult to play GUARD in the NFL ? F**k off Mankins you greedy piece of s**t

I'm mad about the whole situation too, but wishing harm on someone else is bad karma where I come from.

As for the rest, the man thinks he should be paid what the market says he's worth and, rightly or wrongly, feels he was promised he would be. In part, he probably feels this way because he might indeed "blow out" his knee at any time and have his career end, so he wants to be paid as much as he can while he's healthy.

 

[Miguel]

Given how one ProFootballFocus stat is being used to denigrate Mankins' play, I thought that it would add to the discussion their rating of guards.

2009 6th
2008 1st
2007 1st

ProFootballFocus.com - By Position
ProFootballFocus.com - By Position
ProFootballFocus.com - By Position

 

[Miguel]

Could it be that Mankins is upset that he asked in 2008 for an extension and was turned by the Patriots who used the CBA uncertainty as their rationale for the denial??
Since the owners opted out of the CBA in May 2008, Mankins has seen fellow teammates who were on the Patriots roster in May 2008 reach new deals with the Pats
Kaczur
James Sanders
Levoir
Wright
Yates
Hochstein
Wilfork
Aiken
Connolly

Since May 2008 the Patriots have reached free agents deals with
Leigh Bodden,
TBC,
Neal
Chris Baker
Crumpler

 

[Wretch]

Could it be that Mankins is upset that he asked in 2008 for an extension and was turned by the Patriots who used the CBA uncertainty as their rationale for the denial??
Since the owners opted out of the CBA in May 2008, Mankins has seen fellow teammates who were on the Patriots roster in May 2008 reach new deals with the Pats
Kaczur
James Sanders
Levoir
Wright
Yates
Hochstein
Wilfork
Aiken
Connolly

Since May 2008 the Patriots have reached free agents deals with
Leigh Bodden,
TBC,
Neal
Chris Baker
Crumpler

That could be the case but except for the Wilfork deal the players you list were either signed for short contracts or relatively low dollars amounts compared to what Mankins has allegedly turned down. Hence less risk to the organization if something happens to reduce the salary cap or radically change its structure.

Two other possible exceptions are Bodden and TBC but they were both UFAs and there appeared to be an organizational priority in signing targeted UFAs before they began negotiating in earnest with the RFAs.

Unfortunately we fans only see a small part of what actually happens between the players and the teams. I am going to try to withhold judgment about fault until after the situation comes to a conclusion or better details are available. For all we know the Pats offered Mankins a back loaded contract without a significant signing bonus to pump up the average annual value but Mankins could potentially never see the money because of injury or being released.

 

[Patjew]

I've been thinking about this and I think I've come to a win-win solution: Mankins for Peppers.

 

[IllegalContact]

I've been thinking about this and I think I've come to a win-win solution: Mankins for Peppers.

and then sign faneca

except I just noticed faneca is with the cards

 

[BSR]

Could it be that Mankins is upset that he asked in 2008 for an extension and was turned by the Patriots who used the CBA uncertainty as their rationale for the denial??
Since the owners opted out of the CBA in May 2008, Mankins has seen fellow teammates who were on the Patriots roster in May 2008 reach new deals with the Pats
Kaczur
James Sanders
Levoir
Wright
Yates
Hochstein
Wilfork
Aiken
Connolly

Since May 2008 the Patriots have reached free agents deals with
Leigh Bodden,
TBC,
Neal
Chris Baker
Crumpler

Other than Wilfork, wasn't he offered more money than all those guys? I don't know if that is a great excuse.

I think most people are fine with him wanting to make as much money as possible. I never thought we would sign him to a long term deal to begin with given what top end guards were being paid. I think most people are just upset with the way he is trying to shoot his way out of town. This just seems to me like an act to try and force the pats to trade or release him.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Actually, I can be sure of it. Mankins rights will continue to be owned by the Patriots until he fulfills his obligations as a restricted free agent, the Pats cut him, or he signs the tender and the Pats trade him. A new CBA won't change that because it was not what was in place when Mankins was made an RFA. What matters is the rules at the time that the Pats made the RFA tender offer, guaranteeing their rights to Mankins.

I think you're wrong on that, although those who are aguing to that effect are also wrong to assume that there will even be a new CBA in 2011. And absent it the owners will absolutely retain the new 6 year provision...and the only way the league plays in 2011 absent a new CBA is if the union decertifies and whatever rules the owners have proposed to that point becomes the defacto CBA. The alternative being a lockout if owners don't want to continue playing absent a CBA because they don't want to face the prospect of eventual court mandated rules.

Neither scenario works for Mankins. He needs a new CBA with essentially the old rules and a lot of luck while playing out whatever portion of his now $1.5M tender or he has really miscalculated. Anything short of that, including a new CBA with a scaled back cap or cap growth based on givebacks the owners are seeking, doesn't work well for Logan...in seeking in excess of $7M per...

Couple that with his trade demand while insisting he will not sign his now reduced tender...and you have a classic mexican standoff. I think he's gotten some really lousy advice and counsel from Bauer and whomever else he consults. Branch shot his way out of town, but the circumstances were very different. He was under contract so the team could facilitate a trade. But there was also a new CBA with an expansive cap in place at that time and prospective trading partners weren't looking at coughing up draft compensation in order to lavish a big new deal on a player on the eve of a potential work stoppage...

 

[mgteich]

Our real choices are a one-year deal and a 2012 3rd round draft choice, or a trade for 2011 second (or a 2012 first). That is we can choose between the Samuel solution or the Seymour solution.

If we choose a one-year deal, we can have it be a $1.5M deal and deal with a Mankins locker room and press issue all year, or we can renegotiate a one-year reasonable deal.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The offer's actual value is not a fact. It's a number gotten by a reporter from an anonymous "league source", and it disagrees with what the agent has stated. We don't actually know what the offer was. We also don't know about structure, penalty clauses, etc...

While true, your taking this tack made me chuckle...