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I was reading the Browns board and they say the Raiders made a offer to Quinn per Dan Patrick Show, PFT
Take it for what its worth
 
I'm sure they've made offers to Russell, Quinn, and Johnson. The rumor is that Quinn got a lowball offer, so they could pay him less than the other two if he'd take it.
 
Even if they made an offer, it doesn't mean they meant it. In this situation a player could okay an offer but the team isn't obligated to sign him--it's not like they are handing him a contract and a pen.
 
Even if they made an offer, it doesn't mean they meant it. In this situation a player could okay an offer but the team isn't obligated to sign him--it's not like they are handing him a contract and a pen.

No but it gives them leverage with the other two guys wrt a contract agreement pre-draft. " If you won't sign, we'll just go with the other guy. Just like the Texans did last year with Mario Williams"...Then again it is the Raiders so we can't assume anything...........
 
Some said last year it was at least in part an inability to get an agreement on a deal that led to Houston deciding to forego Bush in favor of Williams. And Bush did then hold firm for Williams like money from NO.

The were saying on ESPN it could be worth it for Quinn financially in the long run to take a little less to be that #1 pick for all the anscillary money that usually goes along with being a QB drafted #1. Problem is twofold. Condon is his agent and he won't let his guys take less because it hurts him financially and could harm his image with future clients. Bigger reason is likely that it's the Raiders and Al is still breathing which could flumox your career.

It's a given though these days that the #1 pick has a done deal when he's drafted because teams can't afford a holdout at that level. And most of the rest of the top 20 just fall in behind that signing. Al is probably just using fear of Quinn getting the nod as leverage to talk potential deals with Johnson and Russell.
 
Profootballtalk.com has a good take on the whole situation, and why it might be in Quinn's interest to accept a lowball offer at #1... why his agent won't allow it, etc.

For my part I emailed Florio and suggested that this is a perfect reason to implement a set Rookie Salary Slot system that would create a forumla by which all #1 picks salaries would be pre-determined.

While most have said this common sense move could never come to be because it would mean the agents would be unnecessary, I'd think that there'd still be a need for agents to craft incentives clauses for players that could make some of the contracts more lucrative over time. The NFL might need to exempt those from the "likely to be earned" category but it could work

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The question, from Quinn's perspective, is whether the "lowball" is more than the "highball" he'd get at a lower draft position. In the NFL, the players are paid based on the slot in which they are drafted. At the top of round one, the drop from No. 1 to, say, No. 7 is steep.

So if Quinn isn't the No. 1 pick and if he ends up being picked by the Vikings at No. 7, the question is whether the Raiders' offer is worth more than what Quinn would get at No. 7. If it is, he should take the Raiders' offer -- especially since being the No. 1 overall pick would enhance (we believe) his off-field earning potential.

But there are some problems with this analysis. First, agent Tom Condon would never allow Quinn to take a lowball offer at No. 1, since the magnitude of the Quinn deal would then be used against Condon in future recruiting efforts by agents who would say to the potential client, "Condon got screwed by the Raiders on the Quinn deal."

The irony here, as we see it, is that Condon's allegiance to his own interests (if, in the end, his advice to Quinn is to not take the offer) really isn't that much different than Bill Henkel's allegiance to his own interests when he allegedly took a $75,000 kickback from a company that did a deal with his former client LaDainian Tomlinson.

In both cases, the agent advances his personal agenda at the direct financial expense of his client.

The second problem is that, if Quinn doesn't go No. 1, the key spot for him will be No. 3, where the Browns are believed to be debating whether to take Quinn or running back Adrian Peterson. So if Quinn turns down a "lowball" offer at No. 1, he'll be counting on landing at No. 3, where he'd possibly get paid almost as much via the slotting process as he would get under a "lowball" offer from the Raiders.

But Condon's firm, CAA, also represents Peterson. We've previously commented on the potential conflict of interest resulting from this arrangement; if Quinn isn't the guy at No. 1, the conflict at No. 3 comes into much sharper focus.

How in the hell does CAA walk that tightrope? An agent's only job at this time of year is to pimp his client. So if Quinn doesn't do a deal with the Raiders at No. 1, then Tom Condon of CAA will be calling the Browns to get them to take Quinn instead of Peterson, while Ben Dogra of CAA is calling the Browns to get them to take Peterson instead of Quinn.

The unknown factor in all of this is whether Quinn even wants to play for the Raiders, and whether any misgivings about playing for Oakland override his desire to be the No. 1 overall pick.

Still, if Quinn wants to go No. 1 for reasons other than the money, then someone needs to explain to him that the agency representing him has a very real conflict of interest that might be coloring the advice Quinn is getting.

Several years ago, Condon withdrew from the representation of Patriots tight end Benjamin Watson because (as we heard at the time) Condon didn't want to be associated with a six-year deal for a player taken at the bottom of round one. In this specific case, it could be that Condon's best call is to walk away again.

Given the rule imposing a five-day waiting period before a new agent can be signed, however, Quinn would have to finish the Oakland deal without the benefit of an NFLPA-certified agent.

We don't know how it's going to turn out. However it does, who would have thought that the presumptive No. 1 pick from a year ago at this time would fade from the top spot and then potentially re-emerge at the eleventh hour?
 
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The question for Quinn is not whether Quinn is being offered less than the other two. The question is whether the offer is more than he would get if he were drafted #4 or #5 or #6, where he could go if the raiders don't draft him.

BTW, since the raiders pick first, there can indeed be a binding letter of intent signed.
 
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I really don't care how big the contract is, just as long as Quinn doesn't fall to the fish.
 
IF PFT is correct that is a tough one for Quinn, do you go as #1 with a "low ball" offer or wait it out and possibly go further down for less money, I do not like the Raiders but they already have a D and with Quinn their O may improve drastically.
 
IF PFT is correct that is a tough one for Quinn, do you go as #1 with a "low ball" offer or wait it out and possibly go further down for less money, I do not like the Raiders but they already have a D and with Quinn their O may improve drastically.

What he does obviously affects all the rest of the players in the draft - which is why I think the NFL and NFLPA (who are really more interested in veterans anyway) need to step in to implement an actual salary slot system to ensure that #32 isn't adversly impacted because #1 took a below market contract

Heck - once #1 is decided most of the other contracts wind up being "slotted" in a way anyway - the NFL should just set the rookie salaries (they already set the rookie cap) and eliminate silly agent posturing. Let them earn their money by adding the right incentives for their players and move on.

I doubt they'll get the full 15% or whatever they get for veteran contracts but they'll get something, and that something will be closer to what they actually deserve - and the rookies can actually keep more of their money.
 
??? Why shouldn't the parties negotiate contracts. Why do we have to set salaries? Perhaps we should pay everyone the same based on years of service? Are you kidding?

What he does obviously affects all the rest of the players in the draft - which is why I think the NFL and NFLPA (who are really more interested in veterans anyway) need to step in to implement an actual salary slot system to ensure that #32 isn't adversly impacted because #1 took a below market contract

Heck - once #1 is decided most of the other contracts wind up being "slotted" in a way anyway - the NFL should just set the rookie salaries (they already set the rookie cap) and eliminate silly agent posturing. Let them earn their money by adding the right incentives for their players and move on.

I doubt they'll get the full 15% or whatever they get for veteran contracts but they'll get something, and that something will be closer to what they actually deserve - and the rookies can actually keep more of their money.
 
I'm sure they've made offers to Russell, Quinn, and Johnson. The rumor is that Quinn got a lowball offer, so they could pay him less than the other two if he'd take it.

Interesting. Quinn has been all over ESPN saying how much he wants to be #1. So, the Raiders are using that I guess.
 
??? Why shouldn't the parties negotiate contracts. Why do we have to set salaries? Perhaps we should pay everyone the same based on years of service? Are you kidding?

MG -
The problem here is that there are unproven rookies who are being paid BETTER than some great veterans who have already proven themselves in the league. And I'm talking near All-Pro caliber players.

When teams invest nearly $50 million in a player and he's a bust, that hurts the team over the LONG TERM and keeps them from actually getting better. So, it defeats the purpose of giving them the higher picks. Because they would, again, have to invest a lot of money in a player.

With so much money tied up in these unproven players, it makes it hard for them to participate in free agency and bring in better players because they don't have the money available under the cap.

The NHL actually has limitations on rookie contracts. And its working under their system. I don't see why the NFL couldn't have the same thing. You limit the amount of money the top picks can make that way even if the player is a bust, you don't necessarily set the franchise back another 5 years.
 
??? Why shouldn't the parties negotiate contracts. Why do we have to set salaries? Perhaps we should pay everyone the same based on years of service? Are you kidding?

I think you may have misunderstood my post - because last time I checked it would be difficult to set rookie contracts based on years of service.

What we're talking about is rookie salaries. Currently, although there's certainly some negotiation for all the first round contracts, once the #1 pick signs a contract the others nearly always wind up getting slotted in behind it.

i.e. - the #2 pick gets less than #1 ... the #3 pick gets less than #2... and so on down to #32. Capiche?

The "negotiations" are a bit silly in that the slotting generally takes place. I'm suggesting that instead of having rookies give 10% of their salaries to agents, the NFL, which already sets a rookie salary cap, set a #1 pick salary each year, based upon a forumula that uses the available rookie salary cap - and then slots the other players behind #1 accordingly.

Players would probably still want agents to negotiate incentives for their rookie contracts, but that shouldn't require them to give up 10% of their earnings for such a service.

This system would eliminate the adverse consequences to other players should Quinn accept a below market contract at #1 - by mandating that the #1 pick gets "X" dollars each year (it would grow each year with the NFL earnings)

This would be in the best interest of the rookies, and the NFL - it would NOT be in the best interest of the Agents - but I'm not sure why we should really care about them anyway - but indeed they'd still have a chance to earn profits from rookie contracts - just not as much.
 
Mike and Mike had a Scouts Inc guy on yesterday, and he was saying the Quinn was exaggerating somewhat. He had heard that the Raiders faxed the top 3 a pre draft form for the players agents to fill out, contact #'s etc for draft day. It contained fields for salary, years, etc all which had "TBD" in them.

From that, Quinn jumped on the media band wagon stating he was "in negotiations" with the Raiders...
 
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