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There is a long time between now and the start of the game, so I thought this might fill the time, since no one watches the pregame shows any more. Circumstances have created a lot of questions about this game so I thought a discussion of them might be interesting. Feel free to put in your predictions, I know I will.

1. How will the Pats decide to defend OBJ? Everyone naturally assumes that BB will try and shut down OBJ by double teaming him. Clearly that makes a lot of sense until I recalled that when the Pats played the Steelers, BB left Butler pretty much on his own against Antonio Brown (who is better than OBJ).

The Giants have some other decent receiving options. (Vareen, Randell) Could it be that BB will decide rather than trying to stop Bryant and leave other options open, he will attempt to "control" him. Let him have his 150 yards, keep him from making "the big play", and shut down the rest of their passing attack. It would sort of be like the Celtics did to Chicago back in the day. Let Jordan have his 50, but shut down the rest of the offense. Remember without Collins this week, we lose our main LB cover guy.

Now of course, there isn't going to be just one kind of coverage that the Pats will employ on Beckham. That just wouldn't be very smart. I'm just opining that we might see more zones and one on one coverages than we'd expect. It ISN'T going to be just Butler in press man, and a safety over the top all the time. The coverage on Beckham will be more complex and varied than that.

2. How will the Pats decide to configure their OL?. Just who will be be playing where? Now MY optimum OL would have Williams at LT, Kline at LG, Andrews at C, Stork at RG, and Flemming at RT. I think Williams has the better feet to contend with JPP. Also I think Kline/Andrews/Stork would be our strongest middle configuration, and if we spread them out and short pass them to death, attacking up the middle will be at the top of the Giants pass rush strategy. It would be mine.

Of course there are those who would rather use Flemming/Kline/Andrews/Mason/Stork and have Williams as the inline TE protecting one side or the other. But that assumes Mason is fully healthy, and based on some reports about him still hobbling around, that might not be the case. Besides if he were fully healthy, I might think about using him at OT, since he is clearly the most athletic of our current offensive linemen?

So many options and NONE of them ideal. What would be your fix to this problem that the media doesn't think exists.

3. Run or Pass? How are the Pats planning to attack that Giants defense? Or to put it another way, what is the best way to protect our makeshift OL?

There is one theory that by running the ball a lot, the Pats can cover up their OL losses since run blocking is proactive, and requires less of a skill set than pass blocking. I'm sure we'd all feel more comfortable having Cam Flemming road grading than trying to match dance moves with JPP.

Of course there are those who feel we should duplicate the strategies that worked so well against the good DL's of the Steelers and Bills and just spread them out, and let Brady pick them apart by getting rid of the ball before the rush even arrives from the outside.

Of course (again), I'm sure the Pats will employ both strategies to some degree. It will be interesting to see which one will be the prime focus.

4. Who will end up getting the most reps at the 3rd down back role

a. James White - the obvious option, but the biggest question mark
b. Brandon Boldin - the most dependable player. You know he will block and run hard
c. Danny Amendola - the outside the box option. Your best receiving and route runninng option
d. LG Blount - maybe its time we start to throw him the ball a bit more.

5. How to use our 3 TE's? Now this is a trick question since we will probably use them in many configurations during the course of the game. Besides we don't know if we will even have 3 TE's this game, since Williams might have been moved to OT. But still it is an interesting question.

The common wisdom is that Williams will be used a lot as an inline TE for the run game and .protecting one of the OT's, probably Flemming if he's the LT. But now the question becomes how do use Gronk. The Giants don't really have an obvious match up for him, so he SHOULD have a big game Sunday, but won't it limit him if they use Gronk as an inline TE who chips the DE before he releases on his route? On the other hand, having Williams and Gronk as 2 inline TE's presents a very strong run formation. It will force the Giants to balance their defense. It will move their outside rushers out wider and further from the QB. They won't be able to overload one side.

6. Just a note. This will be a very noisy stadium (especially at the start of the game), and thus will limit Brady's ability to move people around at the LOS, change plays, and call the pass blocking slides. It would really be helpful if the won the toss this week.

7. The Giants will HAVE to scheme their way to a pass rush since they are having so much trouble generating one just man on man. So expect some sort of surprise new defense, like we saw down in Dallas, that will have some early success. Remember this OL won't have anyone with more than 3 years experience. And that guy is Kline , so making those in game adjustments to new schemes might not be as easy as it would be with Volmer, Cannon, and Wendell in there. (Wendell's loss have been vastly underrated)

So people, what do you think we will see in a game with so many questions. If you were the HC, what would be YOUR answers??????
 
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I don't think the giants CAN scheme a pass rush, they have nine sacks through 8 games. I know they have jpp back but on top of losing his fingers he isn't in shape because he hasn't been able to work out due to the injury. I think they may try running it a fair amount with white to try and keep the giants guessing, as for OBJ that's a fair point and we will have to see what happens

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Brilliant, absolutely brilliant as we have come to expect..

Is JPP who has only been active for about two weeks really that big of a threat without the supporting cast he is used to?? He is also coming off a significant injury.. not sure he will be the same player he was before, but then again.

The third down back role should be directed at Bolden and White, this is not the greatest D in the world and lets see how they do in space.. it is still long season so let's not wear down LG..

We know #12 worked out with Tom House this week, and thought last week was his "worse game" of the season, so he may want to see if he has gotten "better"...

Justin Coleman was reportedly seen walking around with a cast this week.. that might have an impact..
 
I'm thinking the give OBJ different looks today. Some with Malcolm Island with Harmon single high as usual and Ryan and DMC bracket him.
 
Run right at JPP and let him try to grab & tackle Emily Blunt with that mitten
 
White may get his chance as third down back, but I would not be surprised to see a big role for Bolden, he's been here long enough that I think Belichick may have more confidence in him. He hasn't been playing much, but that's because he was behind Lewis. White hasn't been playing much either, and Bolden seemed to get the work after Lewis wnt down, more than White. Wild card is how much Blount's role expands. He hasn't had to be more than just the power back, maybe he gets some more chance to play in space. He's done some of that in the past, might be he gets that role. Might even see him doing that and Bolden taking the role Blount has had up to now. Lots of possibilities, most likely we will see them all at some time or another. It will keep the Giants off balance and give future opponents all that much more tape to analyze and try to make sense out of.
 
There is a long time between now and the start of the game, so I thought this might fill the time, since no one watches the pregame shows any more. Circumstances have created a lot of questions about this game so I thought a discussion of them might be interesting. Feel free to put in your predictions, I know I will.

1. How will the Pats decide to defend OBJ? Everyone naturally assumes that BB will try and shut down OBJ by double teaming him. Clearly that makes a lot of sense until I recalled that when the Pats played the Steelers, BB left Butler pretty much on his own against Antonio Brown (who is better than OBJ).

The Giants have some other decent receiving options. (Vareen, Randell) Could it be that BB will decide rather than trying to stop Bryant and leave other options open, he will attempt to "control" him. Let him have his 150 yards, keep him from making "the big play", and shut down the rest of their passing attack. It would sort of be like the Celtics did to Chicago back in the day. Let Jordan have his 50, but shut down the rest of the offense. Remember without Collins this week, we lose our main LB cover guy.

Now of course, there isn't going to be just one kind of coverage that the Pats will employ on Beckham. That just wouldn't be very smart. I'm just opining that we might see more zones and one on one coverages than we'd expect. It ISN'T going to be just Butler in press man, and a safety over the top all the time. The coverage on Beckham will be more complex and varied than that.

2. How will the Pats decide to configure their OL?. Just who will be be playing where? Now MY optimum OL would have Williams at LT, Kline at LG, Andrews at C, Stork at RG, and Flemming at RT. I think Williams has the better feet to contend with JPP. Also I think Kline/Andrews/Stork would be our strongest middle configuration, and if we spread them out and short pass them to death, attacking up the middle will be at the top of the Giants pass rush strategy. It would be mine.

Of course there are those who would rather use Flemming/Kline/Andrews/Mason/Stork and have Williams as the inline TE protecting one side or the other. But that assumes Mason is fully healthy, and based on some reports about him still hobbling around, that might not be the case. Besides if he were fully healthy, I might think about using him at OT, since he is clearly the most athletic of our current offensive linemen?

So many options and NONE of them ideal. What would be your fix to this problem that the media doesn't think exists.

3. Run or Pass? How are the Pats planning to attack that Giants defense? Or to put it another way, what is the best way to protect our makeshift OL?

There is one theory that by running the ball a lot, the Pats can cover up their OL losses since run blocking is proactive, and requires less of a skill set than pass blocking. I'm sure we'd all feel more comfortable having Cam Flemming road grading than trying to match dance moves with JPP.

Of course there are those who feel we should duplicate the strategies that worked so well against the good DL's of the Steelers and Bills and just spread them out, and let Brady pick them apart by getting rid of the ball before the rush even arrives from the outside.

Of course (again), I'm sure the Pats will employ both strategies to some degree. It will be interesting to see which one will be the prime focus.

4. Who will end up getting the most reps at the 3rd down back role

a. James White - the obvious option, but the biggest question mark
b. Brandon Boldin - the most dependable player. You know he will block and run hard
c. Danny Amendola - the outside the box option. Your best receiving and route runninng option
d. LG Blount - maybe its time we start to throw him the ball a bit more.

5. How to use our 3 TE's? Now this is a trick question since we will probably use them in many configurations during the course of the game. Besides we don't know if we will even have 3 TE's this game, since Williams might have been moved to OT. But still it is an interesting question.

The common wisdom is that Williams will be used a lot as an inline TE for the run game and .protecting one of the OT's, probably Flemming if he's the LT. But now the question becomes how do use Gronk. The Giants don't really have an obvious match up for him, so he SHOULD have a big game Sunday, but won't it limit him if they use Gronk as an inline TE who chips the DE before he releases on his route? On the other hand, having Williams and Gronk as 2 inline TE's presents a very strong run formation. It will force the Giants to balance their defense. It will move their outside rushers out wider and further from the QB. They won't be able to overload one side.

6. Just a note. This will be a very noisy stadium (especially at the start of the game), and thus will limit Brady's ability to move people around at the LOS, change plays, and call the pass blocking slides. It would really be helpful if the won the toss this week.

7. The Giants will HAVE to scheme their way to a pass rush since they are having so much trouble generating one just man on man. So expect some sort of surprise new defense, like we saw down in Dallas, that will have some early success. Remember this OL won't have anyone with more than 3 years experience. And that guy is Kline , so making those in game adjustments to new schemes might not be as easy as it would be with Volmer, Cannon, and Wendell in there. (Wendell's loss have been vastly underrated)

So people, what do you think we will see in a game with so many questions. If you were the HC, what would be YOUR answers??????

Basic questions oft bring fruitful concepts.
 
Run right at JPP and let him try to grab & tackle Emily Blunt with that mitten
I was about to type the identical response....oven-mitt and all. You must be very smart
 
Is JPP who has only been active for about two weeks really that big of a threat without the supporting cast he is used to?? He is also coming off a significant injury.. not sure he will be the same player he was before, but then again.

Really good analysis here - who needs fingers:

Football by Football
 
Who is this Vareen guy you always write about?
 
Run right at JPP and let him try to grab & tackle Emily Blunt with that mitten
This cannot be understated.

Sorry the guy is missing digits but running at him and trying to tackle is fair game.
 
Oddball question prompted by your mention of Williams.

Let's pretend the Pats decide that Williams is going to be a fulltime OT today. Can he wear an ineligible number just for today, or would he be stuck with his #85 and having to report as ineligible every play he was in for?
 
I would love to tackle Emily Blunt.
 
I agree with RobertW. Similar to how they covered Brandon Martial in the Jets game. Harmon with DMC over the top.

OL has been a concern seemingly all year for one reason or another but they have handled some of the best defensive fronts in the league in part due to Brady's quick release time and in part to game planning. Double TE sets and quick throws etc... I don't expect much different today.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they will offset the loss of Lewis. Is white the next guy that makes us say "where does BB find these guys?". haha We'll see.
 
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