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Aqua4Ever04 said:
Since you guys probably aren't smart enough to scroll over to another thread to read my view, I'll post it here too.

But first, have you been under a rock this off-season? Do you not know who the Pats have lost? A huge peice of that front 7 is gone, your most clutch playoff performer at WR is gone and your big time kicker is gone. Those 3 were all HUGE peices of your sucsess over the years. Who did you add in the off-season? And don't tell me Chad Jackson and Laurence Maroney because they both will be very good players, but won't do a whole lot this year. You guys are just so hard headed, you don't care to look at how huge those 3 losses are. You also lost one of your staples on the Oline in Tom Ashworth as well. Oh and I almost forgot, Dieon Branch is holding out, let me know how that turns out.



Well here's my reply to THEARCHIVES or the moron who doesn't understand anything other than the New England Patriots.

People don't care about a 6 game winning streak? When this team was 1 bad fumble from winning the division. People do take notice of stuff like that just not you because all you know is Patriots football. Do yourself and everyone else a favor, and open your eyes to the rest of the NFL. You're the one who is delusional you giant d***** bag!

And you call my argument dumb lol. We got lucky against San Diego? Umm ok?? If we got lucky in that game, then you got very lucky the first time you played us. If not for that McMichael fumble late in the first half, we would have liekly been up 14-0 or at worst 10-0 heading into the locker rooms. But instead you guys got a field goal out of it making it a 7-3 contest. You guys won by 7 when we failed to punch it in deep in the red zone. You wanna talk about getting lucky? Look at that game my friend, which essentially was the difference in who won the division.

As for your "gift" at the end of the season. The Dolphins were beating up on your starters pretty good too as I recall. Then BB pulled them out, and don't you think that maybe took just a little bit out of the Fins sails?

You say how close our ball games were during that 6 game streak but think about this. There were 3 or 4 other games that we lost that we very easily could have won. For example, our first game against you which I already explained. Our first game against Buffalo, Frerotte had 2 INTs in the Buffalo end zone and Ronnie Brown fumbled in the red zone with under a minute to go down by 6. Thirdly, the game against Atlanta, Frerotte had 2 more turnovers in the red zone. The second one came at the Falcons 5 yard line with a minute to go trailing by 7. So with Culpepper, those 3 games are without a doubt wins!

So don't tell me my argument is dumb because the Fins are a vastly improved team and will kick the s*** out of the Pats two times this year and run away with the AFC East. You guys just don't see anything other New England Patriots football and it really scews your vision on the rest of the league/division. If you think the Fins are another year away, you're a moron!

Alright, why are you on the messegeboard? Sorry, my vision is screwed because Tom Brady is a 3 time superbowl champion, Bill Bilicheck is the best coach in the league, they have a good defense, and a great offfense. I don't get it with you people. Have you been around the past 4 years? Say what you want, the Pats will smack the Phins around.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
Very good post, I agree and it really should be a good race. I still see Miami finally getting the better of it though. You guys have to remember we no longer have Wann-stache around here making decions. Saban brings a whole new attitude and we don't have to settle for being a "good" football team any more.

Oh and for the record, I was refering to Givens, I read on ESPN that he scored in 6 consecutive playoff games for the Pats at one point of their run.

Ok, how many Td's did he score last season? 2, wow! There are really going to miss his clutch 2 td's next season. Chad Jackson will catch more td's next year than Givens did last year guarenteed!
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
Since you guys probably aren't smart enough to scroll over to another thread to read my view, I'll post it here too.

But first, have you been under a rock this off-season? Do you not know who the Pats have lost? A huge peice of that front 7 is gone, your most clutch playoff performer at WR is gone and your big time kicker is gone. Those 3 were all HUGE peices of your sucsess over the years. Who did you add in the off-season? And don't tell me Chad Jackson and Laurence Maroney because they both will be very good players, but won't do a whole lot this year. You guys are just so hard headed, you don't care to look at how huge those 3 losses are. You also lost one of your staples on the Oline in Tom Ashworth as well. Oh and I almost forgot, Dieon Branch is holding out, let me know how that turns out.

I was going to delve further into a counter-argument, but I figured it would fall upon deaf ears upon reading "offensive line staple...Tom Ashworth." Even if you wanted to spin it that way, I could say we (re)gained TWO STAPLES in Light and Koppen. Add in Neal, Gorin, Kaczur, and Mankins, and Ashworth should barely be considered a loss.

There aren't any "huge" pieces to the Patriots' defense (or offense, for that matter). I can see you need some education in how a proven winning team works, so I suggest reading these 2 books by James Lavin:

Patriotsbook.com

You will learn that Belichick has always felt it's the team defense that matters. You can have the greatest LB in the world (which Willie was far from), but without a supporting cast he's meaningless. Great, the Pats lost ONE piece of their defensive puzzle. That's like one axe swing into a tree - there's still plenty of "meat" left. In the Pats' case, that means the best front seven in the league - (Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Colvin, Bruschi, Vrabel, Banta-Cain/Beisel). However, the 2006 season will also see the return of Harrison and Gay - some more additions for you to chew on, since I see you have an appetite for these offseason addition/subtraction lists that the pundits of lesser intelligence feel decide the upcoming season.

People don't care about a 6 game winning streak? When this team was 1 bad fumble from winning the division. People do take notice of stuff like that just not you because all you know is Patriots football.

And tell me, how is last year relevant to this years' success? Keep living in the past, because avoiding such is yet another "secret" of the Patriots' success.

And you call my argument dumb lol. We got lucky against San Diego? Umm ok?? If we got lucky in that game, then you got very lucky the first time you played us. If not for that McMichael fumble late in the first half, we would have liekly been up 14-0 or at worst 10-0 heading into the locker rooms. But instead you guys got a field goal out of it making it a 7-3 contest. You guys won by 7 when we failed to punch it in deep in the red zone. You wanna talk about getting lucky? Look at that game my friend, which essentially was the difference in who won the division.

As for your "gift" at the end of the season. The Dolphins were beating up on your starters pretty good too as I recall. Then BB pulled them out, and don't you think that maybe took just a little bit out of the Fins sails?

And you don't think the Patriots would have actually tried in the final game if it decided the division? Come on! The Pats didn't even have a SEMBLANCE of the starting lineups we'll see come September for that game. James Sanders was starting at safety (Hawkins, plus obviously Harrison, were out) and Hank Poteat was starting at corner (Samuel, plus Gay, Starks, C. Scott, and Poole were out). Come this year, Sanders will be the 10th DB while Poteat will be relegated to the "shadow roster." Nevermind Bruschi and Dillon were out, leaving an injured Pass, plus a Faulk and Evans returning from injury. A healthy Dillon and Maroney versus that trio is night-and-day. And if the Dolphins had the "wind taken out of their sails" because BB pulled the starters, they must not be too strong mentally of a team.

You say how close our ball games were during that 6 game streak but think about this. There were 3 or 4 other games that we lost that we very easily could have won. For example, our first game against you which I already explained. Our first game against Buffalo, Frerotte had 2 INTs in the Buffalo end zone and Ronnie Brown fumbled in the red zone with under a minute to go down by 6. Thirdly, the game against Atlanta, Frerotte had 2 more turnovers in the red zone. The second one came at the Falcons 5 yard line with a minute to go trailing by 7. So with Culpepper, those 3 games are without a doubt wins!

Without a doubt wins, of course! Too bad those game situtations will likely never occur again in the history of the Dolphins. Completely new situations for Culpepper and the rest of a Dolphins team with a ton of turnover. Teamwork is always a huge part of success, and the group the Patriots have put together have been with each other for a while now. Those and the plethora of other intangibles players like Brady, Bruschi, Brown, and Harrison bring simply are unmatched by other teams in the league, like the Dolphins.

So don't tell me my argument is dumb because the Fins are a vastly improved team and will kick the s*** out of the Pats two times this year and run away with the AFC East. You guys just don't see anything other New England Patriots football and it really scews your vision on the rest of the league/division. If you think the Fins are another year away, you're a moron!

Man, your tune changed pretty quickly. Was it whatever you drank/smoke Friday night? You went from "this will be a tight race and I still respect the Pats" to "We will kick the **** out of them and run away with the AFC East."
 
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MoLewisrocks said:
Well I guess until someone gets through to Keegs there will just be more of this along with his mindless rants and provocative challenges to prove to him how little he knows. It is the level at which he functions. We've all seen it on many of the yahoo boards the lightweight bigmouth fanboy types inhabit all around the net - the my opinion matters types who believe having an opinion not only gives you the right to express it but precludes the rights of others to trump it and clean your clock with an informed opinion.

In a perfect world people seek out the company of others who are like minded to play with. But it's not a perfect world so the little keegers of the world continue to show up intent on bulling their way into an existing situation, disregarding the way it operated for years without them and ignoring the admonishions of those who were here before them - including even the guy who owns the site.

Ian has provided these people with multiple forums on this site, including one for troll baiting, in an effort to maintain their interest while preserving the integrity of the main football board. They just refuse to comply. They're the I come here to do what I please where I please and you cannot make me conform crowd. Wanting to increase traffic on his site puts Ian in the middle I guess. But most of them don't give a hoot about that either because they don't even know Ian exists.

So Keegs, we know you don't put much stock in rules or civility or intelligent discourse unless it's in others dealing with you or answering your questions borne of lack of fundamental understanding of much of what goes on in and around this game by your own admission. But could you do us all this one favor and keep your troll baiting posts (those designed to ilicit a response from either a fan or fans of teams other than the NEP) in the interleague forum where they belong? They won't get nearly as much attention there, or spawn as many individual pissing match spinoffs, which may pose adifferent sort of problem for you, but they get too much attention here and that poses a problem for most of the rest of us. This is a place for reasonably intelligent discussion about the Patriots or football news and info that may impact them in some way among Pat's fans and the select few fans of other teams who show up here with somthing intelligent to offer in perspective - and 'Phins fans like Aquaboy by and large don't provide that. What they think abuot us has no bearing on our season. The interleague forum is where Ian has requested you spar with them if you so choose.

excellent effort MLR...
 
pats1 said:
And this is why I "respect" Dolphins fans.

Dude, look at your fellow Pats fans. That is only how I respond when that is how I am treated. If you can make a good argument and keep the name calling out, I will too.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
Dude, look at your fellow Pats fans. That is only how I respond when that is how I am treated. If you can make a good argument and keep the name calling out, I will too.

Except you don't see us specifically trolling into your Dolphins' boards. You can talk all the crap you want at your own house, but when you step into another's, respect and patience will grant you acceptance.
 
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pats1 said:
Except you don't see us specifically trolling into your Dolphins' boards. You can talk all the crap you want at your own house, but when you step into another's, respect and patience will grant you acceptance.

I've tried that homie. But when ever I mention another team, I just get disrespected and treated horribly. A lot of guys on here have absolutely no class and are just hard harded and stuck on the Pats.

Some need to learn there is more to the NFL then the Patriots.
 
pats1 said:
Sanders will be the 10th DB

I don't agree with that at all in fact if Rodney doesn't start the season there is a good possibility he will be the starting safety.
 
mgcolby said:
I don't agree with that at all in fact if Rodney doesn't start the season there is a good possibility he will be the starting safety.

Neither do I, actually. It just sounds better (for my case).
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
I've tried that homie. But when ever I mention another team, I just get disrespected and treated horribly. A lot of guys on here have absolutely no class and are just hard harded and stuck on the Pats.

Some need to learn there is more to the NFL then the Patriots.

WHy is it so wrong for Pats fans on a Pats board to talk all about the pats? Quite a few posters have made good arguments on how the phins are getting better.
 
pats1 said:
Neither do I, actually. It just sounds better (for my case).

You shady bastard!
 
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desi-patsfan said:
WHy is it so wrong for Pats fans on a Pats board to talk all about the pats? Quite a few posters have made good arguments on how the phins are getting better.

Yeah I agree. Fins are much improved and the Pats are still a good team. It'll be a great year and I'm going to leave it at that. I'll be back when the season gets started.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
I've tried that homie. But when ever I mention another team, I just get disrespected and treated horribly. A lot of guys on here have absolutely no class and are just hard harded and stuck on the Pats.
Now wait just a damn minute... you mean to tell me that this forum - called PATSFANS.COM - has some people that are stuck on the Patriots...!?!?

Somebody contact the adminstrator and get those people banned...!!!
 
QuiGon said:
Now wait just a damn minute... you mean to tell me that this forum - called PATSFANS.COM - has some people that are stuck on the Patriots...!?!?

Somebody contact the adminstrator and get those people banned...!!!

My point exactlly.
 
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Aqua4Ever04 said:
Yeah I agree. Fins are much improved and the Pats are still a good team. It'll be a great year and I'm going to leave it at that. I'll be back when the season gets started.

That's singing quite a different tune from both your signature and some of your comments ("I guarantee...Dolphins will kick the **** out of the Pats...Dolphins will win this and that.")
 
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MoLewisrocks said:
Well I guess until someone gets through to Keegs there will just be more of this along with his mindless rants and provocative challenges to prove to him how little he knows. It is the level at which he functions. We've all seen it on many of the yahoo boards the lightweight bigmouth fanboy types inhabit all around the net - the my opinion matters types who believe having an opinion not only gives you the right to express it but precludes the rights of others to trump it and clean your clock with an informed opinion.

In a perfect world people seek out the company of others who are like minded to play with. But it's not a perfect world so the little keegers of the world continue to show up intent on bulling their way into an existing situation, disregarding the way it operated for years without them and ignoring the admonishions of those who were here before them - including even the guy who owns the site.

Ian has provided these people with multiple forums on this site, including one for troll baiting, in an effort to maintain their interest while preserving the integrity of the main football board. They just refuse to comply. They're the I come here to do what I please where I please and you cannot make me conform crowd. Wanting to increase traffic on his site puts Ian in the middle I guess. But most of them don't give a hoot about that either because they don't even know Ian exists.

So Keegs, we know you don't put much stock in rules or civility or intelligent discourse unless it's in others dealing with you or answering your questions borne of lack of fundamental understanding of much of what goes on in and around this game by your own admission. But could you do us all this one favor and keep your troll baiting posts (those designed to ilicit a response from either a fan or fans of teams other than the NEP) in the interleague forum where they belong? They won't get nearly as much attention there, or spawn as many individual pissing match spinoffs, which may pose adifferent sort of problem for you, but they get too much attention here and that poses a problem for most of the rest of us. This is a place for reasonably intelligent discussion about the Patriots or football news and info that may impact them in some way among Pat's fans and the select few fans of other teams who show up here with somthing intelligent to offer in perspective - and 'Phins fans like Aquaboy by and large don't provide that. What they think abuot us has no bearing on our season. The interleague forum is where Ian has requested you spar with them if you so choose.
listen up ********, AQua was already arguing with people on here before i created this thread.... I created this to ask him why he felt the pats would win 10 games at most. Its not about the dolphins, its about the pats. We were discussinig it at around 3,4,5 am. I didn't know i had to get your approval before i post this.
I wasn't speaking my opinion i was speaking a fact. And i do value others' opinions, hence my creating of threads pertaining to the draft picks. I ask questions because a lot of the posters on here have answers, unlike yourself. Would you prefer i call him a troll and tell him to get lost like most of the other posters have? Surely that is stronger "troll bait" than trying to have an actual discussion. I chose to ask him why he feels that way, and in no part of our discussioin did it come up what you thought about us.
Ian had messaged me regarding the stupid posts i made when i was bored. That was taken care of, you need to mind your business about that, it has nothing to do with you. This is not about other teams, this is not making fun of players, this isn't about players looks, this isn't about race.... Its about the patriots record and why i feel they will win more than 10 games.
When you say "they refuse to comply", who is "they"? What am i refusing to comply with?

It's really simple buddy, if you don't like this thread, DONT RESPOND TO IT. It was created in the middle of the night and was meant to have a few messages back and forth and that is it. If you actually read the posts you would see im not "troll baiting" and worded my posts carefully so it would look that was and not disrespectful to dolphin boy.

Now when it comes to your Jim Rome-esque chant, i must say it was amusing. You could have wrote your comment in 50 less words and much clearer. However, you chose to try and sound intelligent while at the same time r efreshing the thread, making your post thick with irony. You sacrifice content to try and sound cool by giving examples of extremes that have nothing to do with me. To me it looks like a blatant attempt to get other members of this site to agree with you and praise you when in actuality your rant could not be furhter from the truth. Next time, spend less time trying to sound cool, and add some substance. Another option would be to keep it short, too the point, and actually relevant in some way. That would be a good start Jim. Let me know how how it works.
 
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you know theres other people debating this with him right Jim? Did you even read the thread? I dont think you did
 
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I actully agree with you Keegs. I am here to read about the Pats and sort of do my "fan scouting" as I call it. I have obviosuly learned quite quickly that not a single one of you guys think the Fins have a snowballs chance of winning the division. My mission is to try and explain to you why we do and maybe further enlightend your football knowledge. This is a very intriguing thread and I enjoy participating in debates like this.
 
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Aqua4Ever04 said:
As for your "gift" at the end of the season. The Dolphins were beating up on your starters pretty good too as I recall. Then BB pulled them out, and don't you think that maybe took just a little bit out of the Fins sails?

Your claim isn't any more true now than it was ten days ago:

Aqua4Ever04 said:
First off, our first team was beating up on your first team until you guys decided to pull the plug on that idea.

Don't take my word for it, though. See the play by play. The Fins might have gotten an INT off Brady, but they also gave up 65 yards to Andre Davis on a punt return.

And no amount of wishing on your part is going to change the fact that it was 7 all when the starters came out.
 
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I don't know if this has already been posted becaue I don't feel like reading through this whole thread right now but when people are making arguments against the Pats they keep saying they "lost" McGuinest. They didn't lose him. That implies that they really wanted to keep him and made a big effort to do so but for one reason or another they weren't able to. This isn't the case. The Pats cut him. They made absolutely no effort to keep him. Willie went on record saying he was somewhat confused because the Pats did not contact him at all. The Pats would not have shoved him out the door if they were at all worried about who would play his position or the hole he would leave on the team.
 
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