QBs that might interest the Pats

[ctpatsfan77]

I figured I'd talk about specific prospects here.

Someone on the main board suggested Stephen McGee as someone that might interest the Patriots.

The first thing that jumps out at me looking at McGee (and, for that matter, Graham Harrell) is their relative lack of size. As someone astutely pointed out, Brady, Cassel, O'Connell, and Gutierrez could share each other's clothes; McGee is a couple of inches and some 15 pounds lighter than any of them.

What does McGee offer that compensates for that?

Similarly, are there other QB3 candidates you think are good fits?

 

[mgteich]

We have no need for two inexperienced quarterbacks. We have our developmental quarterback who will be our #2. I expect a veteran like Huard or nothing.

 

[Metaphors]

Curtis Painter (PUR)
Really struggled his senior year. Part health related...part his team was amazingly suckish. Fits the Pats prototype (6'4", 230) and was progressing well until his senior year:
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2005 089 170 0932 52.4 5.48 39 03 05 05 098.34
2006 315 530 4015 59.4 7.58 88 22 19 20 129.59
2007 356 569 3848 62.6 6.76 80 29 11 25 132.33
2008 227 379 2400 59.9 6.33 79 13 11 15 118.60

Ran the spread effectively when he had the horses. Senior year struggles should drop him to a late round pick so the Pats can take a flyer (have to use those comp picks somewhere).

 

[dryheat44]

I figured I'd talk about specific prospects here.

Someone on the main board suggested Stephen McGee as someone that might interest the Patriots.

The first thing that jumps out at me looking at McGee (and, for that matter, Graham Harrell) is their relative lack of size. As someone astutely pointed out, Brady, Cassel, O'Connell, and Gutierrez could share each other's clothes; McGee is a couple of inches and some 15 pounds lighter than any of them.

What does McGee offer that compensates for that?

Similarly, are there other QB3 candidates you think are good fits?

Honestly, I would rate Pat White at the top. Not only could he be a backup QB, he could also probably contribute in some spread packages (at WR) and in the return game.

I also think Curtis Painter is as good as Sanchez/Stafford.

As far as 7th rounders, UDFAs, I'd take the guys with the prototypical size and leadership abilities, and just try to develop them a little bit. Tom Brandstater and Mike Teel, to name a couple. I'd love to have a situation like Green Bay did, when they kept on developing QB talent behind Favre and trading it for first-day draft picks....Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, and I'm pretty sure there was one more too.

 

[dryheat44]

The first thing that jumps out at me looking at McGee (and, for that matter, Graham Harrell) is their relative lack of size. As someone astutely pointed out, Brady, Cassel, O'Connell, and Gutierrez could share each other's clothes; McGee is a couple of inches and some 15 pounds lighter than any of them.

What does McGee offer that compensates for that?

Speed and athleticism. Probably the best for a Pats QB since Grogan. Although, I think he's going to go in the middle rounds, which would be too early for the Pats.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The kid from New Mexico, Holbrook, seemed to have accuracy in his tool chest.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

We have no need for two inexperienced quarterbacks. We have our developmental quarterback who will be our #2. I expect a veteran like Huard or nothing.

It depends if they think O'Connell is ready if Brady gets hurt. If they don't think O'Connell is ready then you are right. If O'Connell is looked at as being ready to be the #2 QB then Huard or Garcia is a waste.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Speed and athleticism. Probably the best for a Pats QB since Grogan. Although, I think he's going to go in the middle rounds, which would be too early for the Pats.

More than O'Connell?

 

[dryheat44]

More than O'Connell?

Yeah...I think so.

 

[dryheat44]

The kid from New Mexico, Holbrook, seemed to have accuracy in his tool chest.

He's on my camp invite list, but man, talk about diametric opposites from McGee. Big, lumbering, TE looking guy. Very big, very slow, and less athletic than a lot of the offensive linemen this year.

 

[WhiZa]

Any QB outside of California should not be considered. Just basing this off past history

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I am going to go totally off the grid and suggest that we look hard at Pat White of WVU as a returner/WR/change of pace QB.

He spends his rookie season as a return guy and #5 WR. Occasionally he is a change of pace QB. I think he could cause a defense fits as a change of pace QB. A couple of plays a half, maybe he runs maybe he passes.

How does a defense account for him running? They have to bring both safeties into the box. Can you imagine those poor CB's lined up one on one with Moss on the outside. If White is even remotely accurate, Moss has a field day.

If the safeties stay back in fear of Moss, then White runs. Either way we win.

 

[bakes781]

We spent a 3rd on O'Connell. So no QBs for me until maybe the last round.

 

[Metaphors]

I am going to go totally off the grid and suggest that we look hard at Pat White of WVU as a returner/WR/change of pace QB.

He spends his rookie season as a return guy and #5 WR. Occasionally he is a change of pace QB. I think he could cause a defense fits as a change of pace QB. A couple of plays a half, maybe he runs maybe he passes.

How does a defense account for him running? They have to bring both safeties into the box. Can you imagine those poor CB's lined up one on one with Moss on the outside. If White is even remotely accurate, Moss has a field day.

If the safeties stay back in fear of Moss, then White runs. Either way we win.

Agree that Pat White would be a reasonable pick at QB/WR/ST/////////. But what exactly are you proposing a "change of pace" from? The Pats scoring too many points?

If Brady weren't ready or wasn't able to go a full game, then your scenario would be very interesting. If Brady is healthy, I can't imagine a situation where him not being on the field on offense is a positive for the Pats. You do get bonus points for thinking outside the box.

 

[WhiZa]

Can someone convince me Pat White is a return guy? The epitome of a return man is Hester.

Hester: 5-11 190 4.3 (40)
White: 6-1 197 4.5 (40)

If you draft someone to be a return man you want them to be small and fast so they can run out of the cluster like a mouse chase. Pat White just doesn't have that ability to me.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Can someone convince me Pat White is a return guy? The epitome of a return man is Hester.

Hester: 5-11 190 4.3 (40)
White: 6-1 197 4.5 (40)

If you draft someone to be a return man you want them to be small and fast so they can run out of the cluster like a mouse chase. Pat White just doesn't have that ability to me.

Maybe for kick returner you look for speed alone, but on punt returns, the quick/shifty guys are better. IE Troy Brown in his prime never had the burners that Hester does but he absolutely tore up the Steelers in the playoffs with his ST play alone. White is a very elusive runner in the open field. He could be downright dangerous on punt returns and pretty good on kick returns. I'm trying to justify spending a 3rd round pick on a kick returner and finding it hard to do this year. Perhaps if White could play 3rd WR as well he would be worth it.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

I second the Pat White pick.

I watched many many of his games, his fast, and I mean, fastest kid on the field nearly every single game he played in college.

All time leading rusher for a QB says something, the guy would break 60 yard TD runs on a regular sunday basis, and how did he do it? By running right up the gut.

He would line up in shotgun, wait, and then take off up the middle... His agility would leave every LB on the field, and his top speed left every CB/S chasing him.

The kid is a ball player, he won 4 bowl games, against TOUGH competition.

Now on to his passing, watch the Senior bowl and his combine footage. He can throw deep and accurate. He may not have done it a lot in College, he ran alot, and their offense called a lot of runs, but when he did throw, they were on the money.

He is very accurate, and strong armed, he simply doesn't have the stats due to the offense he ran.

So put him in a Returner/WR/QB role.

If anything, you have the prototype to practice against the WildCat offense with him running the Practice Squad. White is also a team guy, big time, and but him in the weight room like Brady did, and let him beef up, learn, and he can be great.

Drafting White gives you an emergency QB whenever you need it, Gives you a utility player that has skills all over the field, gives you a great practice squad QB to practice against those offenses that employ the wildcat / mobile QBs, and most of all, prevents the Dolphins from drafting him, and having him run all over the place...

He can run, fast... 4.5 range, and he can throw... Defenses will have a hard time game planning when he comes in especially when we line up in the spread offense with so much running room to make something happen.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

Maybe for kick returner you look for speed alone, but on punt returns, the quick/shifty guys are better. IE Troy Brown in his prime never had the burners that Hester does but he absolutely tore up the Steelers in the playoffs with his ST play alone. White is a very elusive runner in the open field. He could be downright dangerous on punt returns and pretty good on kick returns. I'm trying to justify spending a 3rd round pick on a kick returner and finding it hard to do this year. Perhaps if White could play 3rd WR as well he would be worth it.

Oh and by the way, I pegged Pat White as the next Troy Brown a while ago, nearly the exact same build, and all around athleticism.

Troy Brown
Height: 5-10 Weight: 196
Born in South Carolina
College in West Virginia

Pat White
Height: 6-0 Weight:190
Born in Alabama
College in West Virginia


THEY EVEN HAVE a COLOR AS THEIR LAST NAME!!!

 

[BPF]

Stephen McGee, Texas A&M

 

[dryheat44]

Stephen McGee, Texas A&M

...and this thread goes full circle. Well done.