PP's DVR player evaluation - Preseason Game 1

[DaBruinz]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

I guess PushnPencils and I are the minority because we don't see it.

I don't find it surprising that you don't see it. You've not shown that you understand what's going happening on the field other than when the teams score..

You claim that Woods couldn't set the edge. Tell me, how many times did the RB bounce to the OUTSIDE for a big gain. And I'm not talking about on a screen pass or a blown play either.

 

[bbell31]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

probably not but if his performance or lack of from last night carries on to the future then he should

 

[BritPat]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

He should get cut because of how he performs for his new team in pre-season?

Yikes.

 

[tombonneau]

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Galloway doesn't have to catch a pass all year; all he needs to do is stretch the D and it's money well spent.

 

[bbell31]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

true unless he continues to drop passes (partly bradys fault on one of them)

 

[PushnPencils]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

I don't find it surprising that you don't see it. You've not shown that you understand what's going happening on the field other than when the teams score..

You claim that Woods couldn't set the edge. Tell me, how many times did the RB bounce to the OUTSIDE for a big gain. And I'm not talking about on a screen pass or a blown play either.

Hey DB...here's what I saw from PW on all the run plays he was on the field for.

1st quarter Eagles...second possession....straight run right behind the center. Not in on play

1st quarter Eagles...third possession....draw to the right....Not in on play.

Same possession...a handoff to Desean Jackson...the one where he ran all over the backfield. The play went right...came back to the left..Woods had a shot at stopping him from making a gain down the sideline but was blocked by the ever intimidating Kevin Curtis.

Same possession....handoff to McCoy...wnet right...bounced inside...tackled by Woods after a 5 yard gain and a first down.

Same Possession....Handoff to McCoy...RUN TO THE LEFT...WOODS GETS BULLDOZED ON HIS ASS BY FB #43 WEAVER. 7 yard gain.

Same possession...Screen pass to McCoy to the left. Woods blocked downfield by slow fat pulling guard. Then lackluster pursuit downfield.

Same possession...McCoy runs behind left guard...Seymour tackles...Woods engages no one...stasnds there like statue.

2nd Qtr

Eagles fourth possession after Brady INT. McCoy run to the left. Seymour Engaged tackle Peters...held the edge...Woods bounced into backfield and followed MCCoy in the pile.

Eagles fifth possession. Woods on Right side now. McCoy run to the right, Woods gets pushed out of the play by anothet fat guard. 4 yard gain. Tackle by Mayo.

Next play...3 and 1 Mr. edgesetter not on the field. FB runs left for first down.

Halftime..

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[reflexblue]

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I'm with you two. I might be a self-confessed LM apologist, but it really seems like half the time there is already a dl in the backfield the second he gets a handoff. We've seen what a healthy lm can do (end of 2007) but his detractors seem to willfully ignore this lest they not have a convenient whipping boy.

Exactly!!!!! A good deal of the time hes dancing out of, or away from a tackle. I have a feeling that if he moved on to another team he could break out like Charles White did. White was chosen in the first rnd by the Browns sucked for 4 years, went to LA, and won the rushing title. Of course he would have to stay healthy.

 

[PushnPencils]

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Hey DB...here's what I saw from PW on all the run plays he was on the field for.

1st quarter Eagles...second possession....straight run right behind the center. Not in on play

1st quarter Eagles...third possession....draw to the right....Not in on play.

Same possession...a handoff to Desean Jackson...the one where he ran all over the backfield. The play went right...came back to the left..Woods had a shot at stopping him from making a gain down the sideline but was blocked by the ever intimidating Kevin Curtis.

Same possession....handoff to McCoy...wnet right...bounced inside...tackled by Woods after a 5 yard gain and a first down.

Same Possession....Handoff to McCoy...RUN TO THE LEFT...WOODS GETS BULLDOZED ON HIS ASS BY FB #43 WEAVER. 7 yard gain.

Same possession...Screen pass to McCoy to the left. Woods blocked downfield by slow fat pulling guard. Then lackluster pursuit downfield.

Same possession...McCoy runs behind left guard...Seymour tackles...Woods engages no one...stasnds there like statue.

2nd Qtr

Eagles fourth possession after Brady INT. McCoy run to the left. Seymour Engaged tackle Peters...held the edge...Woods bounced into backfield and followed MCCoy in the pile.

Eagles fifth possession. Woods on Right side now. McCoy run to the right, Woods gets pushed out of the play by anothet fat guard. 4 yard gain. Tackle by Mayo.

Next play...3 and 1 Mr. edgesetter not on the field. FB runs left for first down.

Halftime..

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess I won that one. Sweet.

 

[cstjohn17]

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On run plays, Koppen seemed to get overpowered. He holds his own on pass plays but on run plays, defenders seem to get too much penetration and push into backfield.

Kaczur - On one of the Maroney runs the play was designed to have Kaczur pull over a seal off the hole. He whiffed and Maroney was hung out to dry. Kaczur is no all star but has been a solid producer for the Pats, he is the day 1 starter. I am more concerned about the depth at Guard, Mankins is an pro-bowler and Neal is an good NFL starter, who takes over if they go down?

Wilhite - "Wilhite to me is a stronger, more agrressive version of Asante. Bright kid...always in the right position."
I like Wilhite but Samuel had 20 INTs in two years, I would be happy if Wilhite gets 4 and doesn't get consistently burnt.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

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I don't find it surprising that you don't see it. You've not shown that you understand what's going happening on the field other than when the teams score..

You claim that Woods couldn't set the edge. Tell me, how many times did the RB bounce to the OUTSIDE for a big gain. And I'm not talking about on a screen pass or a blown play either.

I didn't record the game, so I couldn't tell you. However, PushnPencils broke it down for you. Listen, I want Woods to do well because the Pats really don't have much options but I just don't see any positive things when he is on the field.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

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Hey DB...here's what I saw from PW on all the run plays he was on the field for.

1st quarter Eagles...second possession....straight run right behind the center. Not in on play

1st quarter Eagles...third possession....draw to the right....Not in on play.

Same possession...a handoff to Desean Jackson...the one where he ran all over the backfield. The play went right...came back to the left..Woods had a shot at stopping him from making a gain down the sideline but was blocked by the ever intimidating Kevin Curtis.

Same possession....handoff to McCoy...wnet right...bounced inside...tackled by Woods after a 5 yard gain and a first down.

Same Possession....Handoff to McCoy...RUN TO THE LEFT...WOODS GETS BULLDOZED ON HIS ASS BY FB #43 WEAVER. 7 yard gain.

Same possession...Screen pass to McCoy to the left. Woods blocked downfield by slow fat pulling guard. Then lackluster pursuit downfield.

Same possession...McCoy runs behind left guard...Seymour tackles...Woods engages no one...stasnds there like statue.

2nd Qtr

Eagles fourth possession after Brady INT. McCoy run to the left. Seymour Engaged tackle Peters...held the edge...Woods bounced into backfield and followed MCCoy in the pile.

Eagles fifth possession. Woods on Right side now. McCoy run to the right, Woods gets pushed out of the play by anothet fat guard. 4 yard gain. Tackle by Mayo.

Next play...3 and 1 Mr. edgesetter not on the field. FB runs left for first down.

Halftime..

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

Now describe what the other players not named Woods did on those plays that makes him the weak link...for example:

You describe Woods getting bulldozed by the FB on a FB lead behind left tackle. The question isn't whether Woods got knocked down in the collision with a 250 lb FB who is shorter and was running with a full head of steam, but whether Woods did "his" part in the defense by turning the play back to the inside?

Watch it again and you'll see Woods really getting low and taking the FB on his "left" shoulder to keep his right arm free for the runner if he took the outside. Pierre is 250, same weight as the FB and a couple inches taller so he had momentum working against him. 260 lb. Mike Vrabel and 270 lb. Willie McGinest might have done better, but I'm here to say 250 lb. Rosie Colvin used to get blown-up like that against smaller FBs.

You'll note that Seymour and Brace who were lined up on that side in a 4-3 over look, both one-gapped to the inside and were taken right out of the picture leaving that gaping hole. The RB went to the inside because Woods did his outside contain assignment even though he and the FB wound up rolling on the ground together, he still forced the RB to make a decision and turn "back into the pursuit."

Let's follow the play a bit further to see why I highlighted that phrase. The RB has now turned inside after the FB executed a kickout block on Woods, who did enough to get the RB to decide against bouncing it outside away from the backside pursuit and the Safeties coming downhill to meet him. The TE chipped on Seymour then went on to block Mayo, who is taking up space, but hasn't shed the block.

Now we come "back into the pursuit" as James Sanders (Heh SBB, this is why the lion facepalmed you which is NOT a roasting, just ask it-that-is-banned-for-life how one of my roasts feels like ) comes downhill into the rush lane "outside" Mayo's stack (TE is winning at this point, but Mayo's still fighting) this forces the RB to take the "inside" rush lane where Adalius Thomas coming from the other side of the formation makes the tackle. "Back into the pursuit," Pierre actually did his job and did it well enough that a play where the D-Line took themselves out executing a play call, whether their's or from the sideline, still only gained about 7 yds when it could have gone for 15-20 if the RB had gotten outside. Sanders did his job which was to close the more dangerous rush lane and again turn the RB "back into the pursuit."

NE did not play their "normal" form of defense the other night, so it makes it harder for me to evaluate the players since I don't know what their basic assignments should be out of the 4-3 one-gap, as compared to the 3-4 two-gap which I've now watched enough to see some trends for comparison.

If you go back over some of the other plays you listed and look at Woods actions on that play not from the "make a play" perspective, but from the "assignment" perspective you might change your mind. Let's look at the reverse where you made a big deal out of Woods being blocked by Kevin Curtis:

Woods is playing away from the LOS in an inside shade of the bunch formation in the slot. The runner motions inside toward the backfield, Woods communicates this with hand signs or a call to Mayo and Adalius to let them know there is a man in motion coming towards Adalius' side of the formation (whichever DB was shading the bunch outside is doing the same in the secondary). Alerted, Adalius is now watching to see what develops from this motion, so he's quick to see the handoff on the reverse and gets deep enough that even though he winds up being double-teamed, he still disrupts the runner's effort to get outside him and buys time for the pursuit to get there.

The runner reverses his field because he's stuffed and the only chance to make a play is to go back where he came from. Now when I first watched this I had pegged Woods as the backside contain assignment, but AllWorldTE at Patriots Planet tells me it was probably Seymour who was backside contain, and since he coaches DEs and RBs for a high school close enough to Gillette to take in Training Camp, I'll buy that - especially since I just went over the other play with you and Woods is doing the same thing Adalius was doing on that play so it's easier for me to see.

Sey gets screened by McNabb, but he does slow the runner, which buys time for Woods to reverse his field and come back across the field to be screened by Kevin Curtis - which isn't much of a block, but like McNabb's screen it slows the pursuit a moment. That doesn't stop Woods from forcing the runner wider to the sideline, where he gets puched out of bounds by that DL you were so dismissive of - LeKevin Smith hustling all the way across the field to finish the play. 9 yds, for all that running Jeremy Maclin, a first round pick and a burner only got 9 yds. Curtis did not keep Woods from making a play, even if he didn't make the tackle. Woods still used the sideline to help corral the runner - stop and think about this:
- Maclin 4.3-ish 40 yd dash.
- Woods 4.7-ish 40.
- LeKevin Smith 5.0-ish 40
- If you look at this play again, tell me where the Safeties and CBs and Mayo are when Woods and Smith force Maclin oob...they had all been over backing up Adalius when Maclin changed direction.

Woods and LeKevin saved a TD. That was a good play for both men.

EDIT: Be careful about trying to analyze a game with your DVR - it's addictive!

 

[PushnPencils]

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Now describe what the other players not named Woods did on those plays that makes him the weak link...for example:

You describe Woods getting bulldozed by the FB on a FB lead behind left tackle. The question isn't whether Woods got knocked down in the collision with a 250 lb FB who is shorter and was running with a full head of steam, but whether Woods did "his" part in the defense by turning the play back to the inside?

Watch it again and you'll see Woods really getting low and taking the FB on his "left" shoulder to keep his right arm free for the runner if he took the outside. Pierre is 250, same weight as the FB and a couple inches taller so he had momentum working against him. 260 lb. Mike Vrabel and 270 lb. Willie McGinest might have done better, but I'm here to say 250 lb. Rosie Colvin used to get blown-up like that against smaller FBs.

You'll note that Seymour and Brace who were lined up on that side in a 4-3 over look, both one-gapped to the inside and were taken right out of the picture leaving that gaping hole. The RB went to the inside because Woods did his outside contain assignment even though he and the FB wound up rolling on the ground together, he still forced the RB to make a decision and turn "back into the pursuit."

Let's follow the play a bit further to see why I highlighted that phrase. The RB has now turned inside after the FB executed a kickout block on Woods, who did enough to get the RB to decide against bouncing it outside away from the backside pursuit and the Safeties coming downhill to meet him. The TE chipped on Seymour then went on to block Mayo, who is taking up space, but hasn't shed the block.

Now we come "back into the pursuit" as James Sanders (Heh SBB, this is why the lion facepalmed you which is NOT a roasting, just ask it-that-is-banned-for-life how one of my roasts feels like ) comes downhill into the rush lane "outside" Mayo's stack (TE is winning at this point, but Mayo's still fighting) this forces the RB to take the "inside" rush lane where Adalius Thomas coming from the other side of the formation makes the tackle. "Back into the pursuit," Pierre actually did his job and did it well enough that a play where the D-Line took themselves out executing a play call, whether their's or from the sideline, still only gained about 7 yds when it could have gone for 15-20 if the RB had gotten outside. Sanders did his job which was to close the more dangerous rush lane and again turn the RB "back into the pursuit."

NE did not play their "normal" form of defense the other night, so it makes it harder for me to evaluate the players since I don't know what their basic assignments should be out of the 4-3 one-gap, as compared to the 3-4 two-gap which I've now watched enough to see some trends for comparison.

If you go back over some of the other plays you listed and look at Woods actions on that play not from the "make a play" perspective, but from the "assignment" perspective you might change your mind. Let's look at the reverse where you made a big deal out of Woods being blocked by Kevin Curtis:

Woods is playing away from the LOS in an inside shade of the bunch formation in the slot. The runner motions inside toward the backfield, Woods communicates this with hand signs or a call to Mayo and Adalius to let them know there is a man in motion coming towards Adalius' side of the formation (whichever DB was shading the bunch outside is doing the same in the secondary). Alerted, Adalius is now watching to see what develops from this motion, so he's quick to see the handoff on the reverse and gets deep enough that even though he winds up being double-teamed, he still disrupts the runner's effort to get outside him and buys time for the pursuit to get there.

The runner reverses his field because he's stuffed and the only chance to make a play is to go back where he came from. Now when I first watched this I had pegged Woods as the backside contain assignment, but AllWorldTE at Patriots Planet tells me it was probably Seymour who was backside contain, and since he coaches DEs and RBs for a high school close enough to Gillette to take in Training Camp, I'll buy that - especially since I just went over the other play with you and Woods is doing the same thing Adalius was doing on that play so it's easier for me to see.

Sey gets screened by McNabb, but he does slow the runner, which buys time for Woods to reverse his field and come back across the field to be screened by Kevin Curtis - which isn't much of a block, but like McNabb's screen it slows the pursuit a moment. That doesn't stop Woods from forcing the runner wider to the sideline, where he gets puched out of bounds by that DL you were so dismissive of - LeKevin Smith hustling all the way across the field to finish the play. 9 yds, for all that running Jeremy Maclin, a first round pick and a burner only got 9 yds. Curtis did not keep Woods from making a play, even if he didn't make the tackle. Woods still used the sideline to help corral the runner - stop and think about this:
- Maclin 4.3-ish 40 yd dash.
- Woods 4.7-ish 40.
- LeKevin Smith 5.0-ish 40
- If you look at this play again, tell me where the Safeties and CBs and Mayo are when Woods and Smith force Maclin oob...they had all been over backing up Adalius when Maclin changed direction.

Woods and LeKevin saved a TD. That was a good play for both men.

EDIT: Be careful about trying to analyze a game with your DVR - it's addictive!

Excellent analysis. Did the methamphetamine come with the DVR? j/k

I just watched Wood's collision with the fullback, and can unequivocally say that if there was a foxhole on the field, Pierre would have jumped in it. He did NOTHING to affect that play in any fashion. ZERO.

You can break down any play, even Edelman's runback and find 50 million reasons why Julian shouldn't deserve so much credit for the success of that play.

But you'd be reaching and grasping to bring validity to you argument as you did with PW's game.

He was awful. SIMPLY AWFUL.

PS: Rosie sucked and was overrated too.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

Excellent analysis. Did the methamphetamine come with the DVR? j/k

I just watched Wood's collision with the fullback, and can unequivocally say that if there was a foxhole on the field, Pierre would have jumped in it. He did NOTHING to affect that play in any fashion. ZERO.

Yoy can break down any play, even Edelman's runback and find 50 million reasons why Julian shouldn't deserve so much credit for the success of that play.

But you'd be reaching and grasping to bring validity to you argument as you did with PW's game.

He was awful. SIMPLY AWFUL.

Then we must indeed await final cutdown and starting line-ups with baited breath.

 

[PushnPencils]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

Then we must indeed await final cutdown and starting line-ups with baited breath.

I concur. Right now...PW is 4th on the OLB depth chart.

We'll see if Crable's game improves and presents a challenge.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

First and foremost, it would be nice if you actually noted the down and distance so people knew what the hell you are referring to.

Hey DB...here's what I saw from PW on all the run plays he was on the field for.

1st quarter Eagles...second possession....straight run right behind the center. Not in on play

While you claim he wasn't in the play, that is in incorrect statement. What did he do on the play. His job on a run to the left side of center is to set the edge and prevent the runner from kicking to the outisde... The run was through the left side "A" gap. Had that been stuffed, the RB looks to go outside.

1st quarter Eagles...third possession....draw to the right....Not in on play.

This was a 2nd and 10 play. The Eagles had 2 WR, RB, FB, and a TE. It wasn't a draw play. It was a run at the Right Side "B" gap with the FB leading the way. Burgess was sealed out of the play. Pryor was again Doubled up. Woods was in pursuit, as is his job, when McCoy was tackled after a gain of 6.

Same possession...a handoff to Desean Jackson...the one where he ran all over the backfield. The play went right...came back to the left..Woods had a shot at stopping him from making a gain down the sideline but was blocked by the ever intimidating Kevin Curtis.

This play was blown up by Thomas. When that happens, all bets are off. Al;so, its absolutely pathetic on your part to fail to mention that Woods came ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FIELD with Jackson. As for your BS about Kevin Curtis, that wasn't a block. Hell, it wasn't even a chip. Instead of making things up just to try and support your horrible viewing of the game, be honest. Jackson put a deke move on when he had Curtis between himself and Woods. This forced Woods to STOP and allowed Curtis to nudge Woods enough to knock him off balance.

Same possession....handoff to McCoy...wnet right...bounced inside...tackled by Woods after a 5 yard gain and a first down.

This was a 2nd and 1 play. Same personnel on the field. It was another run through the Right Side "B" gap. Thomas didn't seal the edge. Mayo was out of position and gets taken out by the RG and chip by the FB. Meriweather makes the initial hit with Woods finishing him off.... Imagine that.. He did his job.

Same Possession....Handoff to McCoy...RUN TO THE LEFT...WOODS GETS BULLDOZED ON HIS ASS BY FB #43 WEAVER. 7 yard gain.

This was 2nd and 3. The Eagles were lined up in the "I" formation, strong side LEFT. That means the TE is lined up to the left hand side of center, in case you didn't know. The Run was through the "C" gap. The TE and the LT doubled up Seymour and sealed him out of the play. Woods does his job is taking on Weaver and keeping the RB from getting OUTSIDE. That is what it means to seal the edge. Weaver hits Woods on his left shoulder, but Woods didn't go down. That means Woods didn't get bulldozed. Yes, Woods ended up down by the time the RB was by him, but a 250lb FB against a 250 LB, they are going to be evenly matched. Instead of exaggerating what is on the screen, you may want to sit there and learn from people like Box. You'd do yourself a TON of good.

BTW, its great to see that you don't mention Mayo over-running the play and forcing Sanders to go wide. Yes, Mayo makes the tackle after disengaging from the TE, but had Mayo gone to the TEs right, Sanders had the space to the TE's left. And it wouldn't have been nearly that much.

Same possession...Screen pass to McCoy to the left. Woods blocked downfield by slow fat pulling guard. Then lackluster pursuit downfield.

Again, you either don't understand what you are watching or just being disingenuous. I don't know which. Woods was faced against their left guard, #59. While he might not be great in the 40, anytime a 350 lb player is coming at you with a head of steam, a 250 lb player isn't likely to win. Not to mention that he went at Woods' knees. As for your claim that it was a lackluster pursuit, after Woods recovered, his distance to Mayo was the same all the way down until Mayo and Meriweather took down McCoy..

I don't know WTF you expect. Clearly one has to question whether or not its in the realm of reason.

Same possession...McCoy runs behind left guard...Seymour tackles...Woods engages no one...stasnds there like statue.

The run was up the Left "A" gap. Yes, Seymour made the tackle because Peter moved from Seymour to Woods. Woods was doing his job of protecting the edge. BTW, Woods and Peters were clearly engaged. Instead of making stuff up, how about you actually say what was on the screen. You make yourself look like an idiot otherwise.

2nd Qtr

Eagles fourth possession after Brady INT. McCoy run to the left. Seymour Engaged tackle Peters...held the edge...Woods bounced into backfield and followed MCCoy in the pile.

Imagine that.. He did his job..

Eagles fifth possession. Woods on Right side now. McCoy run to the right, Woods gets pushed out of the play by anothet fat guard. 4 yard gain. Tackle by Mayo.

Its 2nd and 4 with 9:12 on the clock. The Eagles were lined up in a Pro-Set, strong side Right. Woods is now on the LEFT SIDE of the line at LDE for this play. The Pats line (from left DE to right DE) is Woods/Wilfork/Pryor/Wright. The LBs are, Thomas/Mayo/Guyton (?). Yes, Woods is lined up at LDE. Woods STANDS the pulling guard up, forcing the runner to cut back inside (when the runner has to plant a leg and change directions its called a cut). When the RB cuts back, he's slowed down by the RG pushing Wilfork across his path and Thomas being chipped aside by Hank Baskett. Mayo comes in for the tackle and VW finally breaks from the RG to help May finish it. It was only a 3 yard gain. That's why the next play was a 3rd and 1.

That play would be successful if the pulling guard is able to get to the outside shoulder of the end and seal him off, allowing the RB to get into the defensive backfield.

OH, and other things that happened on that play. The Center and LT double teamed Pryor. The RT moved upfield and initially engaged Mayo, but Mayo got free to get over to make the stop..

Next play...3 and 1 Mr. edgesetter not on the field. FB runs left for first down.

Pats have a Jumbo alignment set up with a Safety Blitz from the Strong Side "D" Gap. Guyton, whose job it is to set the edge on the right side, fails to do so, as he attempted to pursue inside and ended up being taken out by the RB and LT. This allowed the FB to bounce it outside and pick up the 1st down.

I'll be honest, this was a 3rd and short play. Whomever called the safety blitz blew it big time. Also, Mayo failed to call out any adjustments and was eaten up in the scrum.

Halftime..

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish we could say the same about your skills of observation. Clearly they need extensive work.

Now, lets talk about two plays that you skipped.

The first one I'd like to go to is the 1st and 17 from the PHI 7. The Pats had a 5 man rush. Mayo was in coverage on the TE. Woods is on the field and drops into coverage on McCoy who came out of the backfield as the safey valve. Woods played it perfectly and you could tell that McNabb knew he had to go long.

The next one is the 1st and 10 from the PHI 25.5 yard line. Philly is in the "I" formation, strong side right. Philly runs a play action pass. The LBs read it from the start and weren't sucked in. Woods dropped back into his zone as he's supposed to do. Pat Chung moved up into the left flat. The Pats had a line of Smith/Brace/Pryor/Green. The LG and LT double up on Green. The Center is on Pryor. The RG is on Brace. The RT chips Smith, passing him to the RB and TE before helping to double Brace. The TE freezes Thomas and Chung for a second.

Play recognition is something that the LBs are responsible for. In this case, Woods either on his own or with Mayo calling it out, recognized the play action pass and didn't bite on it.

People like you can't be taken seriously because you insist on exaggerating your negative opinions of guys like Woods whom you hate for no good reason. Or you hate him because your understanding of the game is extremely lacking. You also refuse to hold other players to the same standard by which you judge guys like Woods. I've yet to see you slam Mayo for being out of position, over-pursuing on plays, or for getting eaten up on plays. I don't see you doing the same to Thomas either.

No one is going to confuse Woods with Steve Nelson. But all this slamming of him is truly unjustified and unsupported by what happened on the field.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

Excellent analysis. Did the methamphetamine come with the DVR? j/k

I just watched Wood's collision with the fullback, and can unequivocally say that if there was a foxhole on the field, Pierre would have jumped in it. He did NOTHING to affect that play in any fashion. ZERO.

You can break down any play, even Edelman's runback and find 50 million reasons why Julian shouldn't deserve so much credit for the success of that play.

But you'd be reaching and grasping to bring validity to you argument as you did with PW's game.

He was awful. SIMPLY AWFUL.

PS: Rosie sucked and was overrated too.

The fact that you think Rosie sucked and was over-rated just goes to prove, even more, that you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Clearly, its futile to discuss this further with someone who insists on wrapping themselves in their own ignorance.

 

[maverick4]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

Guess I won that one. Sweet.

It's great that you pointed to instances on the tape based on hard data, great analysis and thread by the way. Your grounded arguments make it hard for him to go ad hominem on you, a favorite tactic of his

 

[maverick4]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

The fact that you think Rosie sucked and was over-rated just goes to prove, even more, that you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Clearly, its futile to discuss this further with someone who insists on wrapping themselves in their own ignorance.

Actually, nevermind. Looks like even with tape evidence to back you up, he still calls those who disagree with him as morons

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

It's great that you pointed to instances on the tape based on hard data, great analysis and thread by the way. Your grounded arguments make it hard for him to go ad hominem on you, a favorite tactic of his

Except that it was a horrible analysis and shows that he's got little if any sense of the game and what the responsibilities of the different players are.

 

[PushnPencils]

Re: PP's DVR player evaluation- Pre-Season game 1

First and foremost, it would be nice if you actually noted the down and distance so people knew what the hell you are referring to.



While you claim he wasn't in the play, that is in incorrect statement. What did he do on the play. His job on a run to the left side of center is to set the edge and prevent the runner from kicking to the outisde... The run was through the left side "A" gap. Had that been stuffed, the RB looks to go outside.



This was a 2nd and 10 play. The Eagles had 2 WR, RB, FB, and a TE. It wasn't a draw play. It was a run at the Right Side "B" gap with the FB leading the way. Burgess was sealed out of the play. Pryor was again Doubled up. Woods was in pursuit, as is his job, when McCoy was tackled after a gain of 6.



This play was blown up by Thomas. When that happens, all bets are off. Al;so, its absolutely pathetic on your part to fail to mention that Woods came ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FIELD with Jackson. As for your BS about Kevin Curtis, that wasn't a block. Hell, it wasn't even a chip. Instead of making things up just to try and support your horrible viewing of the game, be honest. Jackson put a deke move on when he had Curtis between himself and Woods. This forced Woods to STOP and allowed Curtis to nudge Woods enough to knock him off balance.



This was a 2nd and 1 play. Same personnel on the field. It was another run through the Right Side "B" gap. Thomas didn't seal the edge. Mayo was out of position and gets taken out by the RG and chip by the FB. Meriweather makes the initial hit with Woods finishing him off.... Imagine that.. He did his job.



This was 2nd and 3. The Eagles were lined up in the "I" formation, strong side LEFT. That means the TE is lined up to the left hand side of center, in case you didn't know. The Run was through the "C" gap. The TE and the LT doubled up Seymour and sealed him out of the play. Woods does his job is taking on Weaver and keeping the RB from getting OUTSIDE. That is what it means to seal the edge. Weaver hits Woods on his left shoulder, but Woods didn't go down. That means Woods didn't get bulldozed. Yes, Woods ended up down by the time the RB was by him, but a 250lb FB against a 250 LB, they are going to be evenly matched. Instead of exaggerating what is on the screen, you may want to sit there and learn from people like Box. You'd do yourself a TON of good.

BTW, its great to see that you don't mention Mayo over-running the play and forcing Sanders to go wide. Yes, Mayo makes the tackle after disengaging from the TE, but had Mayo gone to the TEs right, Sanders had the space to the TE's left. And it wouldn't have been nearly that much.



Again, you either don't understand what you are watching or just being disingenuous. I don't know which. Woods was faced against their left guard, #59. While he might not be great in the 40, anytime a 350 lb player is coming at you with a head of steam, a 250 lb player isn't likely to win. Not to mention that he went at Woods' knees. As for your claim that it was a lackluster pursuit, after Woods recovered, his distance to Mayo was the same all the way down until Mayo and Meriweather took down McCoy..

I don't know WTF you expect. Clearly one has to question whether or not its in the realm of reason.




The run was up the Left "A" gap. Yes, Seymour made the tackle because Peter moved from Seymour to Woods. Woods was doing his job of protecting the edge. BTW, Woods and Peters were clearly engaged. Instead of making stuff up, how about you actually say what was on the screen. You make yourself look like an idiot otherwise.



Imagine that.. He did his job..



Its 2nd and 4 with 9:12 on the clock. The Eagles were lined up in a Pro-Set, strong side Right. Woods is now on the LEFT SIDE of the line at LDE for this play. The Pats line (from left DE to right DE) is Woods/Wilfork/Pryor/Wright. The LBs are, Thomas/Mayo/Guyton (?). Yes, Woods is lined up at LDE. Woods STANDS the pulling guard up, forcing the runner to cut back inside (when the runner has to plant a leg and change directions its called a cut). When the RB cuts back, he's slowed down by the RG pushing Wilfork across his path and Thomas being chipped aside by Hank Baskett. Mayo comes in for the tackle and VW finally breaks from the RG to help May finish it. It was only a 3 yard gain. That's why the next play was a 3rd and 1.

That play would be successful if the pulling guard is able to get to the outside shoulder of the end and seal him off, allowing the RB to get into the defensive backfield.

OH, and other things that happened on that play. The Center and LT double teamed Pryor. The RT moved upfield and initially engaged Mayo, but Mayo got free to get over to make the stop..



Pats have a Jumbo alignment set up with a Safety Blitz from the Strong Side "D" Gap. Guyton, whose job it is to set the edge on the right side, fails to do so, as he attempted to pursue inside and ended up being taken out by the RB and LT. This allowed the FB to bounce it outside and pick up the 1st down.

I'll be honest, this was a 3rd and short play. Whomever called the safety blitz blew it big time. Also, Mayo failed to call out any adjustments and was eaten up in the scrum.



I wish we could say the same about your skills of observation. Clearly they need extensive work.

Now, lets talk about two plays that you skipped.

The first one I'd like to go to is the 1st and 17 from the PHI 7. The Pats had a 5 man rush. Mayo was in coverage on the TE. Woods is on the field and drops into coverage on McCoy who came out of the backfield as the safey valve. Woods played it perfectly and you could tell that McNabb knew he had to go long.

The next one is the 1st and 10 from the PHI 25.5 yard line. Philly is in the "I" formation, strong side right. Philly runs a play action pass. The LBs read it from the start and weren't sucked in. Woods dropped back into his zone as he's supposed to do. Pat Chung moved up into the left flat. The Pats had a line of Smith/Brace/Pryor/Green. The LG and LT double up on Green. The Center is on Pryor. The RG is on Brace. The RT chips Smith, passing him to the RB and TE before helping to double Brace. The TE freezes Thomas and Chung for a second.

Play recognition is something that the LBs are responsible for. In this case, Woods either on his own or with Mayo calling it out, recognized the play action pass and didn't bite on it.

People like you can't be taken seriously because you insist on exaggerating your negative opinions of guys like Woods whom you hate for no good reason. Or you hate him because your understanding of the game is extremely lacking. You also refuse to hold other players to the same standard by which you judge guys like Woods. I've yet to see you slam Mayo for being out of position, over-pursuing on plays, or for getting eaten up on plays. I don't see you doing the same to Thomas either.

No one is going to confuse Woods with Steve Nelson. But all this slamming of him is truly unjustified and unsupported by what happened on the field.

DB...the king of the ad-hominem attack.

Down and distance? You're using situational strategy to somehow backup PW's performance?

Here's an excuse that I would buy much quicker than any of this self-indulgent vomit you just posted.

After years of comfort in the 3-4, Woods is slowly acclimating to his role in the 4-3.

Do I put Mayo under similar scrutiny. You bet your ass. The problem is, a guy like Mayo does so much right...it overshadows his mistakes.

Woods is a 3rd stringer. I said it prior to the Burgess acquisition and there is nothing he did Thursday to change my opinion.

A guy like TBC, who's value I was very critical of, proved me wrong. From the pass rush perspective anyway.