Potential malcontents thread

[lancerman]

But is the Belichick approach no longer working because the approach is bad or because Bill has lost it? The approach could still have merit, maybe. Mayo might be able to implement a new take on the same ideals.

Is it worth assuming that when Bill's assistant coaches have a horrible track record of succeeding?

 

[Calhoun44]

Malcontents? Half this board

It is funny that you say that because when I saw the thread title, I was expecting this to be the place where all the malcontent posters can voice their displeasure. I was hoping it would be a way to keep the rest of the threads tolerable.

 

[Ross12]

Is it worth assuming that when Bill's assistant coaches have a horrible track record of succeeding?

Probably not. But Kraft seems to love Mayo. (there's a joke in there somewhere)

 

[BennyBledsoe]

....man, all this talk of mayo makes me want a sandwich.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Aside from Red Auerbach's you mean.

I deserve a slap upside the head for that one.

 

[NormZauchin]

Aside from Red Auerbach's you mean.

Auerbach as coach was at least Bill's equal; as GM, he was far superior. He built championships with three different Celtics rosters. When Red no longer had the GOAT, Bill Russell, he made a new winner with Cowens, Havlicek, Silas, et. al. When BB no longer had the GOAT he did what we see today.

 

[Calhoun44]

Auerbach as coach was at least Bill's equal; as GM, he was far superior. He built championships with three different Celtics rosters. When Red no longer had the GOAT, Bill Russell, he made a new winner with Cowens, Havlicek, Silas, et. al. When BB no longer had the GOAT he did what we see today.

Not disagreeing with your overall premise, but the gap from 1969 to 1974 is 5 years. Seem like some people were not even willing to give BB more than 3 years. Tough crowd. Also, BB is still doing HC and GM which is much more difficult at his advanced age, not sure BB will ever relinquish either of those duties.

 

[captain stone]

Not disagreeing with your overall premise, but the gap from 1969 to 1974 is 5 years. Seem like some people were not even willing to give BB more than 3 years. Tough crowd. Also, BB is still doing HC and GM which is much more difficult at his advanced age, not sure BB will ever relinquish either of those duties.

By the end of the 1972-73 season, the Celtics had the league's best record, Eight games ahead of the next-closest teams. I don't think the Pats will be finishing this season with the league's best record, though I could be wrong.

 

[Rob0729]

But is the Belichick approach no longer working because the approach is bad or because Bill has lost it? The approach could still have merit, maybe. Mayo might be able to implement a new take on the same ideals.

So far, Bill’s approach has not worked with anyone else other than Bill. His coaching tree is littered with failure.

Mayo is different than most of Belichick’s other coaches since he is a former player and a natural leader, but I would be hesitant to put that to the test as the head coach.

My biggest oppositions to Mayo is he is a defensive coach in an offensive minded league and if he does believe in Belichick’s philosophy on how to build a team this team is never going to be a contender unless they get lucky and draft another Tom Brady. Running the same outdated offensive system under a different coach is just treading water at best.

The only way I would want Mayo is if they hire a OC who is innovative and is given complete autonomy to build the offense in his image with a GM who understands that you have to have offensive weapons.

 

[DarrylS]

I think Mayo would be the obvious choice, his first decisions would be to get rid of some stale coaching talent and bring in some new faces that can bring some O/D innovation to this team. His success would tie into whoever is in the front office and the desire to bring in some different talent than we see right now.
There is a lot of money available next year + high draft choices, the transition could begin in earnest.

 

[Clonamery]

I think Mayo would be the obvious choice, his first decisions would be to get rid of some stale coaching talent and bring in some new faces that can bring some O/D innovation to this team. His success would tie into whoever is in the front office and the desire to bring in some different talent than we see right now.
There is a lot of money available next year + high draft choices, the transition could begin in earnest.

How do you know this? Or are you projecting your own hope?

 

[TomPatriot]

Not disagreeing with your overall premise, but the gap from 1969 to 1974 is 5 years. Seem like some people were not even willing to give BB more than 3 years. Tough crowd. Also, BB is still doing HC and GM which is much more difficult at his advanced age, not sure BB will ever relinquish either of those duties.

This is the 4th season since Brady left and the decline in talent started before he left. I think people are frustrated with the dysfunction/lack of cohesion as much as anything else.

 

[Real fan 02]

Lol Because why not at this point? Maybe this stuff means nothing and maybe there is something to it but seems like a few guys this year have made some questionable statements to the media or hinted at things via Twitter, Instagram, etc.







And a bonus. Old friend Adam Butler got his feelings hurt Bill didn't throw him a ticker tape parade upon their recent meeting.

If we were 5-1 instead of the opposite you'd hear none of this. This is what happens when you loose and look as bad as we have while loosing.

 

[Calhoun44]

This is the 4th season since Brady left and the decline in talent started before he left. I think people are frustrated with the dysfunction/lack of cohesion as much as anything else.

I don't know, but it sure seemed like people were not content with the rebuild after they were blown out in the playoffs against Buffalo with a rookie QB and a lot of promise. I agree things haven't worked out exactly as planned (bit of an understatement) but I feel like most games up until the last few games this year have been competitive and before all the injuries the defense was exciting to watch as you could see a lot of potential for growth. I guess my standards are different than a lot of posters on this board.

 

[DarrylS]

How do you know this? Or are you projecting your own hope?

I kinda thought the writing was on the wall when Mayo chose not to be interviewed last year for HC positions to stay with the Pats.. was there some sort of promise given to him in the even that BB were to leave?? If anything he gave up the opportunity to find out what other teams are looking for in that process.

 

[1960Pats]

I deserve a slap upside the head for that one.

I was actually going to comment on that but decided that the two runs are close enough. I wonder if there's any other fanbase that can make that kind of claim. I can't think of any.

 

[1960Pats]

Auerbach as coach was at least Bill's equal; as GM, he was far superior. He built championships with three different Celtics rosters. When Red no longer had the GOAT, Bill Russell, he made a new winner with Cowens, Havlicek, Silas, et. al. When BB no longer had the GOAT he did what we see today.

Some of Red's GM moves were astounding. Unfortunately, the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis took it's toll on the team.

 

[1960Pats]

I kinda thought the writing was on the wall when Mayo chose not to be interviewed last year for HC positions to stay with the Pats.. was there some sort of promise given to him in the even that BB were to leave?? If anything he gave up the opportunity to find out what other teams are looking for in that process.

We thought the same thing about McDaniels but he left.

 

[1960Pats]

You have to wonder if Bill giving a big chunk of change and/or extensions to some player who don't give 100%, or have a poor attitude, has an impact on other players. If we're scratching our heads over some of his moves what are some of the players thinking. The Pats have never been this bad and anything close was very long ago.

 

[TomPatriot]

I don't know, but it sure seemed like people were not content with the rebuild after they were blown out in the playoffs against Buffalo with a rookie QB and a lot of promise. I agree things haven't worked out exactly as planned (bit of an understatement) but I feel like most games up until the last few games this year have been competitive and before all the injuries the defense was exciting to watch as you could see a lot of potential for growth. I guess my standards are different than a lot of posters on this board.

I was hopeful after Mac’s first year. Not a great team but an above average one. Then it all went sideways with the Matt Patricia/Joe Judge OC experiment (or whatever that was). Bill could screw around when he had future HOFers on his roster. He doesn’t have anyone like that now and the buck stops with him.

Speaking of bucks, do the Pats spend less on players, coaches and so on because of the Krafts or BB? Honest question.

Pats were in most of the games but by the realistic standards you set in your post, did you really enjoy watching the Cowboys or Saints games? They were hideous blowouts/shutouts. Right now they’re not even sniffing the playoffs. That leads to malcontents and I can’t say they’re wrong.