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  1. MrNathanDrake

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    5th an 7th are anomalies, but UDFA is about where I expect it
     
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    Interesting. According to today's Denver Post, 29.9% of all players who appeared on active NFL rosters at some time last year were UDFAs.
     
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    So the Pats are above league average then.
     
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    I suspect so, but I'm not sure. I believe the Post stat referred to a member pool which included every player on an active roster at any time last season. Your numbers, I believe reflect current Pats roster members, correct?
     
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    Yes, our 65 man roster is 43% free agents. I expect that to INCREASE in the next 2 weeks to about 50% as we add 8 draft choices and about 17 more UDFA's.

    So, what's the point?

    A large percentage of the 53 man roster of all teams is composed of lowly-paid UDFA's. The draft is only the first 7 rounds of choices. Many more are made after the first 7 rounds.

    If you reverse the arithmetic, you will find that 1st rounders play (start and excel) more than 2nd rounders who perform better than 3rd rounders, all the way through the rounds.
     
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    If you look at Pro Bowl rosters, theres a ton of UDFA on them.
     
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    I was shocked when I saw this, but then I realized the recent signing of 1st round pick DE Will Smith is inflating that 1st round number.
     
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    Which just underscores the fact that the draft is largely an over-hyped crapshoot.
     
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    Not really. UDFA % are inflated by long snappers, back up OLinemen, punters, kickers, and special teamers.


    Look at QB,WR,DE,CB... the really premium positions. Most of the elite ones are Rd 1-3 picks, with very few UDFA there.
     
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    Yeah, by the time you get to Round Six, you're really just getting the dregs...not even worth hanging around to make a pick that far down. :)
     
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    One of those teams seems to have been smart about that...the other, not so much.
     
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    You only get 1 first rounder a year, you can sign as many UDFA as you want in the offseason, really not surprising that there are that many...
     
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    I'd be curious to see what the breakdown was just for starters.

    I suppose that analysis would take me about 7 minutes at Patriots.com/roster and a pencil/piece of paper.
     
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    Yeah! UDFA are great! Except the probably not starters or high end starters.

    First I will try Google then I will may look at Patriots.com
     
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    Don't forget that a lot of the UDFA that are currently on the team's roster will not be on the 53-man roster in September, so that percentage of UDFAs may be a bit misleading.
     
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    I assume a 3-WR offense and a 4-2-5 base defense, plus the kickers:

    1: (8) Solder, Mankins, Jones, Wilfork, Hightower, Mayo, Revis, McCourty
    2: (3) LaFell/Dobson, Vollmer, Gronkowski
    3: (2) Ridley, Harmon/Ryan
    4: (1) Gostkowski
    5: (1) Ninkovich
    6: (1) Brady
    7: (1) Edelman
    Not: (7) Amendola, Wendell, Connolly, Kelly, Browner, Arrington, Allen
     
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    Danny Amendola, kind of gets a bad rap around here but he is a starting quality player, UDFA. Wes Welker was a UDFA, Thompkins was UDFA, had a pretty productive season. Bolden was UDFA, productive in RB committee, BJGE was a UDFA for us before getting a big contract with Cinci. Wendell was undrafted, he's been up and down, really good in 2012 in 2013 took a step back but was resigned to a deal for pretty good money, Arrington was UDFA, good in the slot but surpassed on the depth chart do to recent talent acquisitions. You can't have an a first or second rounder at every position, even if you hit 100% of all 1st and 2nd round picks it would take 11 years to build a team and that's just the starters not to mention sub package and depth, and you have to re-sign the players when they hit free agency because the rookie contract is only 4-5 years.
     
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