the taildragger said:
the fact is Deion's agent is fielding calls right now...this won't take a week...and, like the FO, they won't deal with this behind closed doors...we'll hear about the proposal in a press release the same time Bill will.
The front office dealt with this behind closed doors up until today. What are you rambling on about?
The fact of the matter is that Deion is NOT going anywhere unless there is a deal that meets the parameters set by the Patriots.
the taildragger said:
is anyone considering the fact the cap is about to SKYROCKET...and maybe we're low-balling Deion hoping he'll submit to the value paradigm of the current cap level?, or else look "stubborn" to ignorant media/fans.
The Cap already sky-rocketed. You seemed to have missed the boat on that. It went up almost 17 million this year. Its going up only 7 million next year and then a SET 10 million each of the 2 years following.
the taildragger said:
is anyone considering how humiliating this tactic is? Deion's not returning with his tail between his legs to help this team...this is no olive branch, it's a kick in the balls. He's not getting great money in late August, the Pats know this, but he has pride and I doubt Tom's phone calls are going to do the trick at this point.
No, the kick in the balls was Deion Branch lying to the Patriots and to everyone else when he said in April that he would honor his contract whether or not he had an extension. THAT was the kick in the balls. What this is, by the Patriots, is them calling his bluff.
the taildragger said:
is anyone considering chemistry?...it matters. It's worth value. We should not overpay, but we should adjust our value paradigm in-line with the current cost of securing the FUTURE services of a reliable receiver like Deion, who has been a tremendous asset on and off the field for us.
Chemistry can be built over time. That has been proven. This garbage about not having adjusted the value paradigm shows that you haven't been paying attention. The Patriots DID adjust their paradigm. They offered Branch an extension right after the season ended that would have paid him for 5 years and over $30 million with an 11 million signing bonus. Branch rejected it. The Patriots then offered Branch a 3 year 19.75 million extension with a 9 million bonus and he rejected that.
They don't need to adjust it more than they have. What needs to be adjusted is the attitude of a lying sack of garbage like Deion Branch.
the taildragger said:
is anyone considering that if Branch releases a statement tomorrow saying he wishes to go to team X (philly?, NYJ?, etc...) that we have two lousy options:
1. veto trade, get disgruntled unproductive receiver for '06.
2. allow him to leave, and get very little in return.
where is the leverage?...seems to be with Deion to me.
The leverage is that they hold Deion's fate. The Patriots have shown they can win without the likes of Deion Branch. They have shown that they win as a TEAM, not as a group of individuals. The Patriots, as others have said, have probably told Deion what will be required for them to consumate a trade.
Also, I am sure that the Patriots told Deion that they need to see any offers that he gets so they can validate them.
BTW, Deion may be disgruntled and he may even be stupid. But if you think he will be unproductive, then you aren't bothering to think far enough ahead. This is a CONTRACT year for Branch. If he does poorly, he will NOT get the big payday he's looking for. And it behooves Branch to go out and do better than former Patriot WRs have done (see Givens and Patten).
the taildragger said:
where is the brilliant plan here? Is the brilliant plan to go into the season without Deion because he's a cancer and we need to get rid of him? Anyone who believes that is a total reactionary who deserves their own talk radio show.
Deion may not be a cancer, yet, but he sure is a lying sack of garbage. The PLAN, by the Patriots, seems to be to let Deion go out and try and find a team who thinks that he is worth the money that Branch is claiming he is worth and then find an acceptable trade that fits into the parameters that the Patriots have set. My bet is that Branch won't be able to find both parts. And the onus will be on him. And he will have hurt his own reputation.
the taildragger said:
it's not a question of whether we NEED Deion, it's a question of how much worse off we are. Give him an extra million -- still in line with Givens money -- and go win the ******* super bowl.
The Patriots offered Branch BETTER than Givens money and Branch turned it down. What is so hard to understand?
the taildragger said:
Deion and Tom have chemistry -- in this passing system "rapport" is more valuable than sheer athleticism, because we don't rely on HoF receivers to make huge plays, but rather the unspoken communication that comes from experience.
Brady seems to be developing a good rapport with his other receivers.
the taildragger said:
I'm not saying he's an all-pro, but you can't throw away chemistry and expect to rebuild it overnight. Jackson is potentially a much more dangerous receiver than Deion, but we're still better off with both of them.
No one is expecting chemistry over-night. But if Deion is there, how can that chemistry develop with other receivers?
the taildragger said:
We can overcome the loss of Givens, but both Givens and Branch at once? Not sayin' the offense will suck by any means, but is it as good without Deion?
I seem to remember people wondering how the Patriots would overcome the loss of Ted Washington and Bobby Hamilton. They did it.
People wondered how the Pats would overcome the loss of Ty Law and Ty Poole. The Pats did so and won a SuperBowl.
I have no doubt the Pats will over-come the loss of Branch and Givens much the same way. They will develop people and bring people in.
A week ago I was certain a deal would be done...now I'm convinced he'll leave.
the taildragger said:
This team may indeed still be good enough to go all the way (every team has holes -- this is something the media has trouble understanding), but we're definitely worse off than we would've been with him. And given the fact that our QB stuck his neck out there, you just don't want to send the message to the rest of your players that you can't get a deal done with a SB-MVP, with a sterling clubhouse record, who's still playing on his el cheapo rookie contract.
Damn. You make it sound like its ENTIRELY the fault of the Patriots Management. I think you need to wake up and realize that Branch is the one who set everything in motion, not the Patriots. The Patriots are the ones who attempted to negotiate in good faith. This idea that its going to affect others is just pure garbage.
the taildragger said:
You people may hate Deion...he may be dead to you...but he's not dead to this team...he's one of the most beloved players in the clubhouse. And unlike Lawyer, his skills aren't diminishing.
How do you know what Branch's standing in the clubhouse is? Are you THERE in the clubhouse? NO. You aren't. So you don't have a clue.
While Branch's skills aren't diminishing, you seem to forget that he's not accomplished much. No 1000 yard season. No season with more than 5 TDs. Hasn't had a healthy season in which he wasn't coddled.
the taildragger said:
There will be ripples if he leaves...I'm not saying it will split the team, but we will have to deal with it...and ripples like this can -- and have -- sapped the momentum and energy out of many a season.
Why? Because you say so? This is just more BS on your part. Sorry, but I can remember people claiming that "They hate their coach" and that the "Season is over before it began" when the Patriots cut Milloy. And the Patriots proved them all WRONG by winning it all.
the taildragger said:
again, I'm not saying the FO is wrong or right...and perhaps we should've stayed hardline with him...Borges will call it "arrogance"...not me...but I don't see any brilliance here.
Maybe because you don't want to see any brilliance. You can claim you aren't saying that the F.O. is wrong or right, but your posts smack of just that accusation.
the taildragger said:
I guarantee Tom is flying off the walls...he's too ambitious to let it destroy HIS future...but that doesn't mean he's a happy camper.
I'm not changing my avatar over this, but it's definitely a kick in the gut.
I guarantee you that Tom is NOT flying off the walls. I can guarantee you that Brady knows the situation and is probably not happy with the arrogance being shown by Branch. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Brady said, "Do what you gotta do, I gotta do what I gotta do." and left it at that.