Pats get CB Aqib Talib from the Bucs !!

[FredFromDartmouth]

Felger was happy with the trade.

That's a bad sign....he HATED the Moss trade...

 

[BrickPat]

I applaud the move regardless of whether it proves beneficial in the long run or not. Like may here I was very critical as to how the Pats select/coach their secondary personnel. I'd be a hypocrite to critcize this move when its obvious that Pats are proactively moving to address a weakness.

The only downside are the off the field issues but TB likley wouldn't have traded him at all if he were a choir boy. Talib's misconduct was ironically beneficial to the Pats as to what they had to surrender to get him.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I applaud the move regardless of whether it proves beneficial in the long run or not. Like may here I was very critical as to how the Pats select/coach their secondary personnel. I'd be a hypocrite to critcize this move when its obvious that Pats are proactively moving to address a weakness.

The only downside are the off the field issues but TB likley wouldn't have traded him at all if he were a choir boy. Talib's misconduct was ironically beneficial to the Pats as to what they had to surrender to get him.

And let's not forget that the reason the Pats gave up a 4th rounder in this trade is that they did not have a 5th or 6th rounder to deal. So I don't get the criticisms that the Pats should have offered less than a 4th, they literally couldn't! And I don't think the Bucs were willing to take just a 7th round pick.

Bottom line, if Talib can fit into this defense and provide competent play at the CB position for 7 games plus the playoffs, it will be well worth what they gave up. Because frankly there are not a lot of competent CBs on the Pats roster right now. This looks like a move to shore up the secondary in the short term but that's exactly what we need.

Pats fans posters have been begging for BB to address the secondary, and he just did! So I don't want to hear any complaints. There wasn't anyone better available. Certainly you will NOT get a 1st round talent at CB for the price of a 4th rounder UNLESS they have some serious flags on them. And that's essentially what the Pats got.

This move reminds me of the Randy Moss trade. A very high risk, but high upside move that could go down as the bargain of the 2012 season if it works out. If it doesn't, all you lost was a mid-round pick.

 

[RobertWeathers]

God I hope this guy can hold it together for a 4 months.

However his last two seasons have not been as good as his first two.

With that said, hes still better than anyone else that plays CB on this team.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/17017/aqib-talib

 

[makoute]

I don't see it as a big deal. He is a decent corner when he isn't in trouble with the law. Not a stud...not a JAG..a decent CB

I think he's a bit better than decent, definitely not stud or great, but more than decent I would say.

 

[Marqui]

I think he's a bit better than decent, definitely not stud or great, but more than decent I would say.

He's been somewhat inconsistent, but he definitely has the talent of a top 10 CB.

 

[ivanvamp]

And let's not forget that the reason the Pats gave up a 4th rounder in this trade is that they did not have a 5th or 6th rounder to deal. So I don't get the criticisms that the Pats should have offered less than a 4th, they literally couldn't! And I don't think the Bucs were willing to take just a 7th round pick.

Bottom line, if Talib can fit into this defense and provide competent play at the CB position for 7 games plus the playoffs, it will be well worth what they gave up. Because frankly there are not a lot of competent CBs on the Pats roster right now. This looks like a move to shore up the secondary in the short term but that's exactly what we need.

Pats fans posters have been begging for BB to address the secondary, and he just did! So I don't want to hear any complaints. There wasn't anyone better available. Certainly you will NOT get a 1st round talent at CB for the price of a 4th rounder UNLESS they have some serious flags on them. And that's essentially what the Pats got.

This move reminds me of the Randy Moss trade. A very high risk, but high upside move that could go down as the bargain of the 2012 season if it works out. If it doesn't, all you lost was a mid-round pick.

Agreed. This is a potentially game-changing move for the Patriots. Worst case scenario: they do not improve and they they "trade down" from a 4th to a 7th round pick (b/c don't forget, they got back a 7th round pick from TB in the deal). Ok, that's not exactly good, but it's also not exactly the worst thing in the world either. Not a terrible amount of risk.

But the best case scenario: Talib becomes the shutdown corner that his talent suggests he could be, and the single most glaring hole in the Patriots' defense is filled with a pro-bowl caliber player.

What will happen is likely something in the middle, but the odds are pretty good that he'll be an upgrade over what they had. And if it improves their chances in the playoffs, that's a really good thing.

 

[Triumph]

Talib likes to gamble and sometimes gets burned.

The Pats needed to do something at CB for obvious reasons.

 

[deters]

Talib likes to gamble and sometimes gets burned.

The Pats needed to do something at CB for obvious reasons.

so he's the second coming of samuel except for only half a season.

hopefully he makes the ints when he needs too

 

[Funktopus]

I like the trade. And I'm happy for whoever the 4th round pick will be. He'll have a better chance of sticking to the Tampa roster than in NE.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Talib likes to gamble and sometimes gets burned.

That's already an immediate upgrade over our current CB's, who just get burnt without liking to do anything

 

[PatsFan2]

That's already an immediate upgrade over our current CB's, who just get burnt without liking to do anything

Couldn't agree more.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

And let's not forget that the reason the Pats gave up a 4th rounder in this trade is that they did not have a 5th or 6th rounder to deal. So I don't get the criticisms that the Pats should have offered less than a 4th, they literally couldn't! And I don't think the Bucs were willing to take just a 7th round pick.

Bottom line, if Talib can fit into this defense and provide competent play at the CB position for 7 games plus the playoffs, it will be well worth what they gave up. Because frankly there are not a lot of competent CBs on the Pats roster right now. This looks like a move to shore up the secondary in the short term but that's exactly what we need.

Pats fans posters have been begging for BB to address the secondary, and he just did! So I don't want to hear any complaints. There wasn't anyone better available. Certainly you will NOT get a 1st round talent at CB for the price of a 4th rounder UNLESS they have some serious flags on them. And that's essentially what the Pats got.

This move reminds me of the Randy Moss trade. A very high risk, but high upside move that could go down as the bargain of the 2012 season if it works out. If it doesn't, all you lost was a mid-round pick.

There were alot of good posts, but I'll cosign with this one since it's pretty recent. Something needed to be done about the secondary there's no denying that, and if Talib can be the CB he's been in Tampa, he's EXACTLY what the D needs. Our front 7 is all but set if Ninko and Cunningham continue their level of play, with so many playmakers upfront and perhaps the best run defense we've had in the BB era. With even an OK secondary this defense can be something special. If Talib at CB allows McCourty to move to FS and Dennard/Cole can stick as the 2 and 3 that they have looked like in recent weeks with Wilson/Gregory at the other safety, the secondary is no longer a weakness IMO. Not a strength but miles better than what we've seen having to rely on guys like Molden, Ihedigbo, Moore, Arrington, Chung, Dowling, Gregory full time (though I'll gladly take him in a part time role), etc. Sure that's a big if with Dennard/Cole, but at least it is more realistic at the time than hoping for Chung to suddenly become reliable in coverage or Kyle Arrington to turn his season around and become a starting caliber CB.

And if it fails, we lost a 4th rounder. Considering how desperate we are for a starting caliber DB, it's very well worth the risk.

 

[mgteich]

For me, if everyone is healthy, I take Door #2 or 2a with Gregory starting. The decision point is whether you want to depend on Arrington for 50%+ of the defensive reps at corner (Choice 1) or whether you would rather rely on Chung/Gregory for a safety spot. I would choose either a healthy Chung or Gregory over counting on Arrington.

So....


S McCourty
S Wilson/Chung/Gregory
CB Talib
CB Dennard
$.05 Arrington


or

S Chung
S Wilson/Gregory
CB Talib
CB McCourty
$.05 Arrington/Dennard

 

[PatsFanSince74]

And let's not forget that the reason the Pats gave up a 4th rounder in this trade is that they did not have a 5th or 6th rounder to deal. So I don't get the criticisms that the Pats should have offered less than a 4th, they literally couldn't! And I don't think the Bucs were willing to take just a 7th round pick.

...

This move reminds me of the Randy Moss trade. A very high risk, but high upside move that could go down as the bargain of the 2012 season if it works out. If it doesn't, all you lost was a mid-round pick.

This is a long thread and I'll admit I haven't followed the debate, but what you say makes sense to me.

When Mark Sanchez hits receivers with three or four yards of separation and puts up 328 Passing Yards on the Pats at home, it's hard to see how risking a fourth rounder on a former first round pick with problems but potential is all that bad a move.

Mayo and Wilfork have the D side of the clubhouse in firm control and Brady, well, let's just say he's pretty much "in charge" of the O and the entire operation. So, the likelihood that Talib will "make trouble" in the clubhouse is not all that great; and, at $700,000 against the cap, they can afford to cut his ass in a nanosecond if he does.

Let's hope that this is a case of "Good things come in threes" and, after the Pats flopped with Big Albert, Talib becomes "Number Three" along with two other "troublemakers" who worked out pretty well, Corey Dillon and Randy Moss.

Let's also hope that he comes here with a chip on his shoulder to prove that his doubters are wrong, like Dillon.

 

[Kontradiction]

For me, if everyone is healthy, I take Door #2 or 2a with Gregory starting. The decision point is whether you want to depend on Arrington for 50%+ of the defensive reps at corner (Choice 1) or whether you would rather rely on Chung/Gregory for a safety spot. I would choose either a healthy Chung or Gregory over counting on Arrington.

You're forgetting about Cole, who looked a lot better than Arrington.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Is Talib cleared to practice next week,even if he can't play?

 

[Kontradiction]

Is Talib cleared to practice next week,even if he can't play?

I don't believe so. When you're suspended, it typically means that you're suspended from all team activities. I'm fine with it, if so. Gives him that much more time to learn the playbook.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

God I hope this guy can hold it together for a 4 months.

However his last two seasons have not been as good as his first two.

With that said, hes still better than anyone else that plays CB on this team.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Aqib Talib

That's like saying a Horse with 3 legs can out run a horse with 2 legs

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I don't believe so. When you're suspended, it typically means that you're suspended from all team activities. I'm fine with it, if so. Gives him that much more time to learn the playbook.

Here is my idea of learning the playbook in 2 seconds if you are in the Pats secondary......

SIMPLY DON'T ALLOW 10 YARD CUSHIONS ON MAN TO MAN AND TURN YOUR DAMN HEAD FOR THE BALL!!

I'll say it right now with authority........That whether or now Aqib works out there is one definite thing already......Aqib will be the most physical presence in the secondary that was missing since Rodney left,the guy knows how to lay the blow.