Pats are teaching rookie OLs with Callahan methods

[rkarp1]

5 OL coaches in 5 years on top of 4 OC's in 4 years
lacking talent at all of the playmaker postions
little wonder the offense has been a mess

 

[Ross12]

5 OL coaches in 5 years on top of 4 OC's in 4 years
lacking talent at all of the playmaker postions
little wonder the offense has been a mess

Yep. Here’s hoping for some sustained consistency under Van Pelt and Callahan.

 

[Hyped]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion from your previous paragraph. You listed a lot of unheralded picks that turned into solid contributors. Theres a reason Scarnecchia is as well respected as he is.

Good point. Why can't it be a combination of coaching, talent, and opportunity.

I still say talent reigns supreme though....

 

[Bill Lee]

Do the Eagles coaches use this sled? Whatever they do in Philly needs to be considered here.

Add cheesesteaks to the cafeteria menu? Run up museum stairs? In-breeding?

Thanks for the clarification. I knew that he played OL, I did not know that he had any coaching experience.

Yeah, and he's a ROCKET SCIENTIST too!

 

[Bill Lee]

Yep. Here’s hoping for some sustained consistency under Van Pelt and Callahan.

We don't have Bill Callahan, just his sled.

He and his son are with the Tits.

If you're into Newsmax you can have some Gerry Callahan, right where he belongs.

 

[Brotherblues]

Yes, there was. When a player had a question he was told, “We’ll get back to you on that.”

And they never did.

And if a player dared ask a 2nd time he'd never be seen again.

 

[Thunderhead]

Yea, hoisting 380 pounds like that. I am currently in the ice tub cuz I hurt.

That's what I look like installing a 50lb window AC unit.

 

[skinnydog]

We don't have Bill Callahan, just his sled.

He and his son are with the Tits.

If you're into Newsmax you can have some Gerry Callahan, right where he belongs.

I thought the same thing. Using his sled is nice, but it’s just a sled. I imagine O-Lone coaching is lots more than using the right sled.

 

[Joey007]

Maybe we should also implement the Packers and Chiefs method of holding on every play.

 

[Gumby]

Thanks for the links ( & the further links [orlovsky] In those ). Very educational

 

[Uptown]

 

[PatMan]

Last year every stunt they threw at Mafi resulted in a sack or pressure. I hope he got a lot better if he's starting.

 

[upstater1]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion from your previous paragraph. You listed a lot of unheralded picks that turned into solid contributors. Theres a reason Scarnecchia is as well respected as he is.

Donald Thomas came to the Patriots and played like a Pro Bowler. He was close to being out of the NFL when he came here. He got paid a good sum of money in FA, and was never heard from again.

The power of Scar.

We forget so many players in addition to the ones mentioned, like Connolly.

 

[DaBruinz]

It is a nice change to have a clear plan for developing the OL, it has been nothing but chaos since Covid. In addition to having no experience as an OL coach, Patricia had to wear too many hats to focus on the job. Yates did nothing with the job and Klemm gets an incomplete due to his illness and frustration with the personnel department.

This is incorrect. Patricia spent a year under Scar when he was on the offensive side of the ball before moving to Defense. Saying he spent no time is incorrect. I agree that he was the wrong man and he over-sold and under-delivered when it came to implementing the Shanahan Outside Zone Schemes.

Yates was always an Assistant. He was never "The Man". He and Ferentz spent the time after Klemm was out of the picture trying to hold things together.

The bigger question should be:
Who told Belichick that Lowe could handle the RT position when he'd never practiced there with the Vikings and hadn't played there in 7 years?

 

[DaBruinz]

Last year every stunt they threw at Mafi resulted in a sack or pressure. I hope he got a lot better if he's starting.

Andrews didn't help matters any and he's supposed to be the one identifying those potentials.

 

[DaBruinz]

Philly invested in their OL.

Every starting OL-man was drafted in rounds 2-4 except for Mailata...and Jason Kelce was a 6th round pick, but one of the better ones ever...and before that they spent a 1st round pick to acquire Jason Peters who is apparently STILL PLAYING...

So, they have homegrown talent....

The Patriots have tried for years to develop OL-men with various degrees of success....like letting Armstrong walk and drafting Matt Light in the 2nd, Stephen Neal was developed here...but we let him go to the Eagles before he came back, Dan Koppen was an underrated pick/player...5th rounder to starting C for years, we spent draft capital on Logan Mankins when everyone else thought we were crazy, Vollmer a German in the 2nd round was considered a reach then, Nate Solder was a 1st round pick, Stork was a great pick until concussions hit him, Dave Andrews...an UDFA!, Shaq Mason in the 4th was a home run, as was Thuney in round 3, Marcus Cannon grew into a solid player, Ted Karras was another homegrown player that we couldn't keep around, Wynn could have worked out here if not for injuries, IMO, and Trent Brown was a good FA signing twice....

So, I say it was mostly talent...not coaching nor how we practice...

Armstrong retired after the 2000 season. That's why they drafted Light.

Umm.. They literally taught Stephen Neal how to play the position. If by "let him go to the Eagles" you mean waiving him to try and get him to the PS only for him to decide to sign with the Eagles PS instead. The Patriots got him back by signing them to the 53 before the end of 2002.

You're forgetting Tom Ashworth, Brandon Gorin and Bill Yates whom they developed.

The Pats chose to let Karras go. TWICE. Because he outgrew the Contract he had with the Pats.

Marcus Cannon was considered 1st round talent until his Cancer diagnosis. The Pats got him for a steal in the 5th round.

To say that it's not coaching nor how they practice is such a disservice to every single NFL Coach it's ridiculous.

 

[PScottman]

So long as they're not using Gerry Callahan sleds.

Or Callahan Auto Parts ones either...

 

[Stu Pidassle]

This is incorrect. Patricia spent a year under Scar when he was on the offensive side of the ball before moving to Defense. Saying he spent no time is incorrect. I agree that he was the wrong man and he over-sold and under-delivered when it came to implementing the Shanahan Outside Zone Schemes.

Yates was always an Assistant. He was never "The Man". He and Ferentz spent the time after Klemm was out of the picture trying to hold things together.

The bigger question should be:
Who told Belichick that Lowe could handle the RT position when he'd never practiced there with the Vikings and hadn't played there in 7 years?

Thanks, Patsgofor4 already pointed that out. I will edit the post to correct

 

[Dec54]

I went to Penn State on a coaching clinic when Paterno was still head coach (before the scandal). I know this is a massive over simplification, but they drilled the linemen over and over again about leverage, its all about leverage. Stay low get hands under pads and rise, moving the opponent back and off balance. Sure worked for them.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Look at the traction it takes to be effective moving the sled! The turf is all torn up