Pats are teaching rookie OLs with Callahan methods

[Huckleberry1]

Philly invested in their OL.

Every starting OL-man was drafted in rounds 2-4 except for Mailata...and Jason Kelce was a 6th round pick, but one of the better ones ever...and before that they spent a 1st round pick to acquire Jason Peters who is apparently STILL PLAYING...

So, they have homegrown talent....

The Patriots have tried for years to develop OL-men with various degrees of success....like letting Armstrong walk and drafting Matt Light in the 2nd, Stephen Neal was developed here...but we let him go to the Eagles before he came back, Dan Koppen was an underrated pick/player...5th rounder to starting C for years, we spent draft capital on Logan Mankins when everyone else thought we were crazy, Vollmer a German in the 2nd round was considered a reach then, Nate Solder was a 1st round pick, Stork was a great pick until concussions hit him, Dave Andrews...an UDFA!, Shaq Mason in the 4th was a home run, as was Thuney in round 3, Marcus Cannon grew into a solid player, Ted Karras was another homegrown player that we couldn't keep around, Wynn could have worked out here if not for injuries, IMO, and Trent Brown was a good FA signing twice....

So, I say it was mostly talent...not coaching nor how we practice...

Those are good examples of good players, but there’s a long list of guys like Andruzzi who were jags that Scar turned into really solid linemen.

 

[Pape]

Good news. Bill Callahan is up there with Dante Scarnacchia as legendary OL coach.
Probably an improved approach over Adrian Klemm’s coaching

Probably?

Lol

 

[Zuma]

Mafi’s arm is thicker than my leg…maybe both of them.

 

[mgteich]

The bigger question should be:
Who told Belichick that Lowe could handle the RT position when he'd never practiced there with the Vikings and hadn't played there in 7 years?

The same person that told Belichick that Wynn could handle RT.

 

[Hyped]

Armstrong retired after the 2000 season. That's why they drafted Light.

Umm.. They literally taught Stephen Neal how to play the position. If by "let him go to the Eagles" you mean waiving him to try and get him to the PS only for him to decide to sign with the Eagles PS instead. The Patriots got him back by signing them to the 53 before the end of 2002.

You're forgetting Tom Ashworth, Brandon Gorin and Bill Yates whom they developed.

The Pats chose to let Karras go. TWICE. Because he outgrew the Contract he had with the Pats.

Marcus Cannon was considered 1st round talent until his Cancer diagnosis. The Pats got him for a steal in the 5th round.

To say that it's not coaching nor how they practice is such a disservice to every single NFL Coach it's ridiculous.

- Armstrong "reluctantly" retired. He still wanted to play. IIRC, he felt a bit disrespected by Belichick.

- Yeah, we coached up Neal...but didn't think enough of him to leave him on the 53 the first time around.

- Yeah, no place for Karras here with Andrews.

And IMO...as said before...talent reigns supreme. There is only so much coaching can do...Belichick would tell you himself that the players play and the coaches coach. Not a slight against Scar...he was a great coach.

 

[Hyped]

Those are good examples of good players, but there’s a long list of guys like Andruzzi who were jags that Scar turned into really solid linemen.

Fair enough. Scar turned some guys into solid players, but the elite guys were full of talent to start with.

Again, no slight against Scar. Love the man!

 

[captain stone]

Dear lord & master Ganja Satan please no...

 

[rkarp1]

the OL decisions made were the beginning of the end
the team opted to franchise Thuney rather than resign him long term
the team opted to trade Shaq rather than extend him
the team tried to retain Karras but lost him for a few extra dollars to the Bengals.
2 of the 3 should have been retained. better yet all 3.
the team opted to exercise Wynn's 5th year ($10m) and resign Brown.
they then went on a 3 year drafting binge of OL including a 1st round reach. 8 OL over the past 3 drafts, plus Anderson. plus Reiff. plus McDermott. Plus Lowe.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

- Armstrong "reluctantly" retired. He still wanted to play. IIRC, he felt a bit disrespected by Belichick.

- Yeah, we coached up Neal...but didn't think enough of him to leave him on the 53 the first time around.

- Yeah, no place for Karras here with Andrews.

And IMO...as said before...talent reigns supreme. There is only so much coaching can do...Belichick would tell you himself that the players play and the coaches coach. Not a slight against Scar...he was a great coach.

Matt Light has stated a number of times that a good offensive line is more about working together as a unit than individual pieces. Scar was great because he got the most out of each player and created a cohesive unit that was able to quickly assimilate new players when injuries inevitably showed up.