Patriots Daily News Thread Patriots Tuesday 12/5/23

[Ian]

Interesting when you look at the opponents' longest plays 2022 vs 2023:

2023 Top 10 Longest Patriots Opponent Offensive Plays - Receiving and Rushing

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2022 Top 10 Longest Patriots Opponents' Offensive Plays - Receiving and Rushing

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Granted, still five games to play, but definitely quite a difference when you look at the number of big plays given up between the two.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yeah, this is a good way to summarize it. Bill has always been good at drafting and developing defense, OL and probably RB. The rest of the offense really was generally built upon grabbing undervalued vets or guys who hadn't gotten a chance elsewhere and who get a chance to prove themselves in NE. The issue lately has really just been that his free agent signings on offense the last few years have kind of sucked, combined with losing his all-time-great QB, and the next man up at QB falling apart.

Theoretically though, the defense is still great when everyone is healthy and this year has allowed the depth guys to get a lot of experience. Bill could potentially try again with tons of upcoming cap space from 2024 forward, paired with premium draft capital. What if he signs Mike Evans and a few role players on offense, solidifies the OL via free agency and the draft, and is able to draft the next great QB at #2?

Whether it's Bill or someone else, I fully expect this to be the plan for the offseason.

The trick, though, is the QB. If you get that right, everything else gets easier.

 

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[upstater1]

Agreed. Had AB still had been on the team in 2019 and going forward Brady would have likely chosen to stay. Therefore drafting Mac and having him learn under the GOAT would have done marvels for him and career projectory.

We have to give up on the fantasy that Mac was ticketed to become someone much better than the guy we see right now.

 

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[upstater1]

I actually have put some thought into the reverse of this though. What if Bill goes elsewhere and is very successful, and whoever Kraft replaces him with still sucks? I think Kraft's reputation will get eviscerated.

This is much much much likelier to happen than the opposite.

Don't we all know that?

This board in particular, has a very different take on Brady leaving now than what it had in 2019.

 

[Real fan 02]

We have to give up on the fantasy that Mac was ticketed to become someone much better than the guy we see right now.

I think most of us know by now what Mac is. What people are saying is he'd had been better served if AB worked out as that likely would have kept the GOAT here. But again, if, ifs were a 5th we'd all be drunk.

 

[upstater1]

I wonder if scheme is part of the reason drafted wr never flourish here? Its a complex system that few get. The only drafted wr to ever do well here were branch, edelman, givens, jacobi (udfa). None of these guys are really that imposing or talented physically, more cerebral players. So Even on the wr hits weve never had a freakish guy like aj brown , dk metcalf, or deebo samuel come in and succeed via the draft. Moss worked well but was a veteran, he was also known as an incredibly intelligent player.

I think the chosen WRs just stunk.

Why? Because they never did anything elsewhere. Whereas people like Branch had decent years.

I mean, look, we brought in guys like Jabar Gaffney, Reche Caldwell, Brandon Lloyd, Chris Hogan, a lot of players had success here. Maybe they were smart, who knows? But the fact that many WRs did have success in the system tells me that the guys who failed weren't very good because they didn't go on to do well elsewhere.

 

[Steve102]

We have to give up on the fantasy that Mac was ticketed to become someone much better than the guy we see right now.

I think there's a possibility that JMcD might have had a different effect, but in the end, he is what he is. Sooner or later, likely at the moment when the pressure was absolutely highest, this version of Mac would have come out.

 

[captain stone]

"If receiver DeVante Parker held his block on safety Derwin James Jr., receiver Tyquan Thornton's 39-yard run on an end-around probably would have been a touchdown. The Patriots have a sign in their receiver room and part of it reads "No block, No rock" ... the Patriots need more attention to these type of details, across the board, on offense."

- Yet Dorothy continued to see not only snaps on the field, but targets as well. Bill Belichick's a ****ing Liar with Zero credibility.

 

[upstater1]

I think most of us know by now what Mac is. What people are saying is he'd had been better served if AB worked out as that likely would have kept the GOAT here. But again, if, ifs were a 5th we'd all be drunk.

I just don't understand that argument about Brown. Given all that we've seen from him? He wouldn't have lasted a couple games, never mind a season.

Brady left because of the lack of a 2 yr contract.

Of course, before the 2019 season even started, Brady showed up on Steven Ross's yacht so we don't really know what Brady's intentions were.

Did he leave for the lack of a 2 yr contract? Yes, that's what I believe.

But I can also be convinced he wanted to leave for Miami prior to 2019 and that everything that happened resulted from him not wanting to destroy his legacy in New England. I only say that because no one has yet to prove provide an explanation for what Brady was doing on that boat.

 

[captain stone]

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****ing Queefs are such ****ing scum, the Most Evil ****ing franchise in the ****ING HISTORY of the NFL.