Patriots receive fourth round compensatory pick

[Jimke]

With 100 declared juniors, the Patriots should get a decent player with
this pick unless they gamble with Tavon Wilson's brother.

 

[DaBruinz]

It will be interesting to see if AdamJT13 weighs in on the comp picks for this year.

It will also be interesting to see the NFL's list of the Players who did and didn't count from last year..

 

[RobAllan]

Hilarious that we Pats fans are HAPPY when we get a pick we can't trade!

The joke's on us when he picks a 6th round projection anyway, though. LOL

 

[Miguel]

It will also be interesting to see the NFL's list of the Players who did and didn't count from last year..

See http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks.pdf

Following are the compensatory free agents lost and signed last year by the clubs that will receive compensatory picks in the 2014 NFL Draft:
ATLANTA Lost: Brent Grimes, Luke McCown (did not qualify for a compensatory pick, 32 picks already awarded), Christopher Owens, Will Svitek, Vance Walker
Gained: Osi Umenyiora

BALTIMORE Lost: Dannell Ellerbe, Paul Kruger, Ed Reed, Cary Williams
Gained: None

CINCINNATI Lost: Josh Brown, Bruce Gradkowski, Manny Lawson, Brian Leonard (did not qualify for a compensatory pick, 32 picks already awarded), Pat Sims, Dan Skuta
Gained: Josh Johnson, Mike Pollak, Alex Smith

DALLAS Lost: Victor Butler, Kenyon Coleman, Mike Jenkins, John Phillips
Gained: Justin Durant

DETROIT Lost: Cliff Avril, Gosder Cherilus, Justin Durant, Drayton Florence, Sammie Lee Hill
Gained: Reggie Bush, Jason Jones, Glover Quin

GREEN BAY Lost: Greg Jennings, Erik Walden
Gained: None

HOUSTON Lost: Alan Ball, Connor Barwin, James Casey, Justin Forsett, Donnie Jones, Glover Quin
Gained: Greg Jones, Shane Lechler, Ed Reed

NEW ENGLAND Lost: Patrick Chung, Donald Thomas, Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead
Gained: Danny Amendola, Isaac Sopoaga, Will Svitek

NEW YORK GIANTS Lost: Martellus Bennett, Chase Blackburn, Domenik Hixon, Osi Umenyiora
Gained: Josh Brown, Ryan Mundy, Brandon Myers

NEW YORK JETS Lost: Yeremiah Bell, Mike DeVito, Shonn Greene, Dustin Keller, LaRon Landry, Matt Slauson
Gained: Antwan Barnes, Mike Goodson

PITTSBURGH Lost: Keenan Lewis, Rashard Mendenhall, Ryan Mundy, Mike Wallace
Gained: Bruce Gradkowski

SAN FRANCISCO Lost: Ted Ginn, Dashon Goldson, Ricky Jean Francois, Isaac Sopoaga, Delanie Walker
Gained: Craig Dahl, Phil Dawson, Glenn Dorsey, Dan Skuta

ST. LOUIS Lost: Danny Amendola, Craig Dahl, Bradley Fletcher, Brandon Gibson, Robert Turner
Gained: Jared Cook, Jake Long

 

[jmt57]

See http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks.pdf

Following are the compensatory free agents lost and signed last year by the clubs that will receive compensatory picks in the 2014 NFL Draft:

NEW ENGLAND Lost: Patrick Chung, Donald Thomas, Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead
Gained: Danny Amendola, Isaac Sopoaga, Will Svitek

SAN FRANCISCO Lost: Ted Ginn, Dashon Goldson, Ricky Jean Francois, Isaac Sopoaga, Delanie Walker
Gained: Craig Dahl, Phil Dawson, Glenn Dorsey, Dan Skuta

So in answer to the question regarding Sopoaga, he counted as a loss for the 49ers since he left San Francisco as a free agent - and it was the Patriots (his final team) rather than Philadelphia (where he originally signed) that got dinged for the addition.

The SF part of the equation makes sense; there was some debate whether the Patriots or Eagles should count as the team that gained in the compensatory pick formula.

 

[Miguel]

there was some debate whether the Patriots or Eagles should count as the team that gained in the compensatory pick formula.

There was also some debate over whether Svitek would qualify.

 

[raduray]

Can someone explain the rationale for the compensatory draft pick system? Seems to me it's rewarding teams for failing to retain good free agents. Why is it needed given that everyone has to play under the same cap?

 

[jmt57]

Can someone explain the rationale for the compensatory draft pick system? Seems to me it's rewarding teams for failing to retain good free agents. Why is it needed given that everyone has to play under the same cap?

If I recall correctly it was put in place as 'compensation' to teams that had done the right thing - build a good football team - but paid for that success by being having their roster raided by other clubs. Somehow it seemed unfair that a team draft, train and coach a player, and then see him walk away and get nothing in return.

Keep in mind this was instituted back when free agency was brand new. The thought process about losing players in free agency was much different then - the franchise tag was also placed to protect those better teams - and staying under the cap was considered to be more difficult than it is now.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

FWIW, the answer to why the Pats got a 4 instead of a 6 appears to be that, as a result of games played, etc., Welker was valued slightly higher than Amendola.

The key, though, is that (according to that Philly.com article, IIRC) when "canceling out players" for the purpose of the formula, contracts always cancel downward first, unless there are no available players; then it cancels upward. This is true even if it's a much longer way down than it is up.

Put slightly differently:

GAINED (top to bottom): Amendola, Sopoaga, Svitek
LOST (top to bottom): Welker, Thomas, Chung, Woodhead

Svitek canceled out Woodhead; b/c Welker's value was higher than Amendola, Amendola canceled out Thomas. Since Sopoaga's deal was slightly higher than Chung's, it canceled out Chung, leaving Welker.

 

[50-yard-line]

That's about 4 rounds too high for that slug. Seriously,as a Pats fan would you want another sloooooowwwwww LB,when we are just starting to get more agressive and athletic?

It's a joke, Eddie. Goodell wants Sam drafted, Kraft and BB had good things to say and New England would be a good place for him.

So...the conspiracy.

RG: Hey, Bob, draft Sam.

RK: Seems like a good kid, but we really don't have enough picks, and too many needs...

RG: Yeah, about that...

Don't be surprised to see Sam go off the board in the 4th or maybe 5th, by the way. He'll play 4 special teams and play them well. Also, production matters. He's a tweener, sure, but production matters.

 

[Gumby]

See http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks.pdf

Following are the compensatory free agents lost and signed last year by the clubs that will receive compensatory picks in the 2014 NFL Draft:
......

NEW ENGLAND Lost: Patrick Chung, Donald Thomas, Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead
Gained: Danny Amendola, Isaac Sopoaga, Will Svitek

...

NEW YORK JETS Lost: Yeremiah Bell, Mike DeVito, Shonn Greene, Dustin Keller, LaRon Landry, Matt Slauson
Gained: Antwan Barnes, Mike Goodson

.....

This is all of the picks awarded –

.....
- 4 37-137 New York Jets
...
- 4 40-140 New England
.....
- 6 33-209 New York Jets
- 6 34-210 New York Jets
....
- 6 37-213 New York Jets
......

hmmmm. Jesters get 4 Comp picks based on that set of FA losses. ??
and compared to Patriots losses (Welker & woodhead both >> any jester losses)

someone must have not only tweaked the formula but added an element of roulette with the Jester logo on every other red number. wonder who that might have been (maybe joker has a guess)?

 

[Miguel]

FWIW, the answer to why the Pats got a 4 instead of a 6 appears to be that, as a result of games played, etc., Welker was valued slightly higher than Amendola.

The key, though, is that (according to that Philly.com article, IIRC) when "canceling out players" for the purpose of the formula, contracts always cancel downward first, unless there are no available players; then it cancels upward. This is true even if it's a much longer way down than it is up.

Put slightly differently:

GAINED (top to bottom): Amendola, Sopoaga, Svitek
LOST (top to bottom): Welker, Thomas, Chung, Woodhead

Svitek canceled out Woodhead; b/c Welker's value was higher than Amendola, Amendola canceled out Thomas. Since Sopoaga's deal was slightly higher than Chung's, it canceled out Chung, leaving Welker.

The funny thing is that Jimmy did not apply his interpretation to his projections.

 

[NormZauchin]

With 100 declared juniors, the Patriots should get a decent player with
this pick unless they gamble with Tavon Wilson's brother.

Taser Wilson?