Patriots moving to 13? Mcshay Rumor

[drewdagreat]

Sims is worth the 13th pick...but not for us, I see him as a Cover-2 LB, Tampa would be an incredible home for him.

He's just not a 3-4 LB, but he's insanely talented

 

[primetime]

Sims is worth the 13th pick...but not for us, I see him as a Cover-2 LB, Tampa would be an incredible home for him.

He's just not a 3-4 LB, but he's insanely talented

5 concussions in 2 years should steer teams away. It would definitely make me think twice. That's alot of concussions, and linebackers take alot of abuse.

 

[patriotsrule]

I've been thinking about starting a thread on this idea of value, especially later in the draft, but I'll start here by saying we need STARS, and preferrably: SUPER STARS.

If Tye Hill is going to be a superstar isn't he worth giving up a second rounder to go get (the fifth rounder is nearly immaterial in most drafts)? We win because we have, or had, Brady, Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Dillon, Branch, Vrabel, Law and some very near stars in Givens (getting $5mil/yr validates your star status) Mankins, Watson, Warren, Colvin; not because of some alleged secret formula BB uses to conjure up the 'right' players from later rounds.

Every move is made in hopes the player you draft will become a star. Prime Example - would Brady have been much use in getting to 3 SB's if he had only become a serviceable backup who perfectly fit the Pat's offense style?

The only other thing you hope for in the draft is to get guys good enough to be coached into filling the blanks around the stars well enough to keep your team from constantly having bring in expensive FA's.

People, we won with Troy Brown at CB, why? Because the stars like Bruschi and Seymour, Vrabel and Harrison, McGinest and Colvin and Warren ravaged the opposition so throughly that it really didn't much who else was out there, not becuase Troy Brown suddenly could play like Ty Law.

Every team needs more stars, if BB says Hill will be one, then he's worth price.

I agree with you 100 percent. Something tells me the Patriots really like Hill and they want to snag him before the run on DB's starts. I don't think it's Wimbley unless they love him because they can get a similar player at 21. If BB thinks Hill can be a premier corner, I agree the move would probably be for him and it's just ahead of all the teams that need help in the secondary, so the placement makes sense. By the way, the Browns pick at 12 so they would still be one spot ahead of New England if they wanted Wimbley. I think it's Hill if the trade does happen.

 

[spacecrime]

People, we won with Troy Brown at CB, why? Because the stars like Bruschi and Seymour, Vrabel and Harrison, McGinest and Colvin and Warren ravaged the opposition so throughly that it really didn't much who else was out there, not becuase Troy Brown suddenly could play like Ty Law.

So then why do you want Tye Hill? We still have Troy Brown, and as you say, it doesn't matter who we have guarding WRs, as long as our DL and LB are beating up on their OL, RBs, and TEs.

 

[the taildragger]

question

Slightly OT question for any readers of this thread (don't want to start a new one) -- Does anyone have an educated idea of the consensus for next year's draft with respect to our key areas of need (quality, depth, etc..) ???-- this is obviously something our Front Office is considering -- not that Kiper has a clue -- I've never once heard that guy address next year's draft, cap flexibility, or free agency options with respect to a team's draft strategy -- that's the problem with a guy who doesn't have to actually spend $$.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I'm a little nervous about Hill based on Pro Football Weekly's comments although most seem to like him - he's Ourlads' #1 CB. If we were to get him we would be locked and loaded at CB. Locked and freakin' loaded and there is NO WAY we could end up with Troy playing CB in 2006. No way.

 

[patpatriot]

Another possible way to look at it

I think this could be a classic BB smokescreen. I think he's trying to spook Denver into moving up some more like he did to the Jets with Robertson.

 

[patsox23]

Those names don't excite me to move up to #13.

Couldn't agree more. ESPECIALLY on Chad Jackson. Please make this all be smoke. Sit at #21 or trade BACK and accumulate more ammo for trading up in rounds 2 and 3.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

We'll have to do something but trading up from round 2, 3 or 4 or into next year in higher rounds in much more interesting to me than trading up in round 1.

 

[pats1]

2 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes until the draft.

Good Lord, I'm tired of these rumors!

 

[zippo59]

2 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes until the draft.

Good Lord, I'm tired of these rumors!

Amen to that. I am so talked out.

 

[bakes781]

2 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes until the draft.

Good Lord, I'm tired of these rumors!

lol it's just the beginning :bricks:

 

[nickw308810]

Slightly OT question for any readers of this thread (don't want to start a new one) -- Does anyone have an educated idea of the consensus for next year's draft with respect to our key areas of need (quality, depth, etc..) ???-- this is obviously something our Front Office is considering -- not that Kiper has a clue -- I've never once heard that guy address next year's draft, cap flexibility, or free agency options with respect to a team's draft strategy -- that's the problem with a guy who doesn't have to actually spend $$.

I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but next year if the top junior prospects come out, at RB could be Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Brian Leonard, and Michael Bush, 4 prospects that would seem to fit our system very well. There also would be a ton of WR.

 

[the taildragger]

I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but next year if the top junior prospects come out, at RB could be Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Brian Leonard, and Michael Bush, 4 prospects that would seem to fit our system very well. There also would be a ton of WR.

thnx. So next year there's also good talent at the top end of the RB pool. And WR is deeper next year. That's probably good info to consider this weekend for anyone who thinks we're using a #1 on a WR in this draft, or trading up to get a WR. But I have no clue, and don't pretend to have one either.

 

[R_T26]

This rumor is just rehash from the globe article that said the pats like jackson and huff and could move up to the 13th if their available.

 

[RayClay]

I've been thinking about starting a thread on this idea of value, especially later in the draft, but I'll start here by saying we need STARS, and preferrably: SUPER STARS.

If Tye Hill is going to be a superstar isn't he worth giving up a second rounder to go get (the fifth rounder is nearly immaterial in most drafts)? We win because we have, or had, Brady, Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Dillon, Branch, Vrabel, Law and some very near stars in Givens (getting $5mil/yr validates your star status) Mankins, Watson, Warren, Colvin; not because of some alleged secret formula BB uses to conjure up the 'right' players from later rounds.

Every move is made in hopes the player you draft will become a star. Prime Example - would Brady have been much use in getting to 3 SB's if he had only become a serviceable backup who perfectly fit the Pat's offense style?

The only other thing you hope for in the draft is to get guys good enough to be coached into filling the blanks around the stars well enough to keep your team from constantly having bring in expensive FA's.

People, we won with Troy Brown at CB, why? Because the stars like Bruschi and Seymour, Vrabel and Harrison, McGinest and Colvin and Warren ravaged the opposition so throughly that it really didn't much who else was out there, not becuase Troy Brown suddenly could play like Ty Law.

Every team needs more stars, if BB says Hill will be one, then he's worth price.

Redskins fan??

 

[Handel]

From Espn. com

There is also a rumor floating around that the Patriots (No. 21) have interest in moving up to the Ravens' spot at No. 13. One report has New England doing so for Florida receiver Chad Jackson, but that's not coach Bill Belichick's style. If the team does move up, it's more likely to be in pursuit of linebackers Kamerion Wimbley (Florida State), Ernie Sims (Florida State) or Chad Greenway (Iowa).

Sims?
I just report the rumors so don't shot the messenger.

Sims, as SS, would be interesting.
Wimbley, according to NFLDC, is overrated...

 

[jczxohn1]

WEEI Sports Flash reporting at 5:30 that the Jets are negotiating with Baltimore, givivg up their #29 and #35. No mention of Pats being involved.

 

[rookBoston]

I've been thinking about starting a thread on this idea of value, especially later in the draft, but I'll start here by saying we need STARS, and preferrably: SUPER STARS.

If Tye Hill is going to be a superstar isn't he worth giving up a second rounder to go get (the fifth rounder is nearly immaterial in most drafts)? We win because we have, or had, Brady, Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Dillon, Branch, Vrabel, Law and some very near stars in Givens (getting $5mil/yr validates your star status) Mankins, Watson, Warren, Colvin; not because of some alleged secret formula BB uses to conjure up the 'right' players from later rounds.

Every move is made in hopes the player you draft will become a star. Prime Example - would Brady have been much use in getting to 3 SB's if he had only become a serviceable backup who perfectly fit the Pat's offense style?

The only other thing you hope for in the draft is to get guys good enough to be coached into filling the blanks around the stars well enough to keep your team from constantly having bring in expensive FA's.

People, we won with Troy Brown at CB, why? Because the stars like Bruschi and Seymour, Vrabel and Harrison, McGinest and Colvin and Warren ravaged the opposition so throughly that it really didn't much who else was out there, not becuase Troy Brown suddenly could play like Ty Law.

Every team needs more stars, if BB says Hill will be one, then he's worth price.

Brady was drafted as a backup and a long term project at that, not to be a star. BB is on record saying that if he had thought Brady was as good as he turned out he would have taken him way earlier.

Katzenmoyer was drafted to be a star, and that didn't quite work out.

BB always spends his first rounder on a player who will be a sure-fire starter for the team. There are a lot of candidates, and Tye Hill doesn't have a monopoly on talent.

Stardom is something altogether different from ability, and only matters if you read the marketing materials. Mankins will never be a star, and neither will Warren.

 

[Feep_FLA]

I seriously doubt the Pats trade up, I'm wagering a bucket of range balls they sticking at 21 or trading down.......I prefer the trade down scenario if it improves our 2nd round position......I would love that!