Patriots make major update to Wells Report In Context site

[OhExaulted1]

He had the right to appeal. He had the right to put Exponent and the science on trial.
He chose not to.
The circular argument that he shouldn't try because he won't win is ridiculous.

What trial? How? He signed a legal binding agreement not to do so, as did the other 31. The document would hit the shredder before it came near the judges chambers.

 

[ReverendMaynard]

HE HAD THE RIGHT TO AN APPEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ring 6]

What trial? How? He signed a legal binding agreement not to do so, as did the other 31. The document would hit the shredder before it came near the judges chambers.

"Put on trial" in the appeal hearing.

Not to mention you continue to ignore the fact that Al Davis was able to sue the league, so if that became the final possibility it would be up to the lawyers to figure out.

 

[Mack Herron]

So he can mount a PR campaign. OK, but you were arguing the fact that he is paying a lawyer means he is doing more than that.
The 4 game suspension is Brady's issue, and will be decided by court.

I'm really not sure where you are going with this.

I am simply raising the question Andy: Why is Kraft paying an expensive lawyer to document NFL misdeeds?

I do not assume that the suspension is solely in the hands of the court. I could see a situation where if the appeal goes to the NFL, then they negotiate the suspension. There is precedent for such negotiation and Goodell has taken some hits in this. Kraft said that he acted in Brady's interest in the past so doing so here would not be far fetched, but keeping Brady on the field would also be in his personal (team's) interest as well.

 

[Ring 6]

I am simply raising the question Andy: Why is Kraft paying an expensive lawyer to document NFL misdeeds?

I do not assume that the suspension is solely in the hands of the court. I could see a situation where if the appeal goes to the NFL, then they negotiate the suspension. There is precedent for such negotiation and Goodell has taken some hits in this. Kraft said that he acted in Brady's interest in the past so doing so here would not be far fetched, but keeping Brady on the field would also be in his personal (team's) interest as well.

Brady will not accept any suspension, so there is no negotiation.
Are you saying you think that if the NFL wins in court they will reduce the suspension?
You are kidding right? They knew all along he did nothing and have accused him of being a cheater and lying under oath. Why would they reduce the suspension if they win?

The Wells report context has been up for 10 months and they have not even acknowledged it and continue to argue the points that were disproven.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The only way for Hunt to get leniency is to grovel at Goodell's feet. Otherwise he will lose and have no other recourse other than to *****.

So by appealing the ruling he is not fighting?

 

[XLIX]

Brady will not accept any suspension, so there is no negotiation.
Are you saying you think that if the NFL wins in court they will reduce the suspension?
You are kidding right? They knew all along he did nothing and have accused him of being a cheater and lying under oath. Why would they reduce the suspension if they win?

This from the guy who thinks Goodell should be given the benefit of the doubt when ownership stole $100+ million from the players.

LOLOLOLOL

 

[OhExaulted1]

"Put on trial" in the appeal hearing.

Not to mention you continue to ignore the fact that Al Davis was able to sue the league, so if that became the final possibility it would be up to the lawyers to figure out.

There's no such thing as a "trial" when your facing a single biased arbitrator. And give it up with the Al Davis thing. He won an antitrust suit in 1983 over re-location. Are you aware of what the outcome was in 2001?

He lost.

The NFL gave up it's antitrust exemption status BTW. You're comparing apples to asteroids.

 

[OhExaulted1]

So by appealing the ruling he is not fighting?

If he wants leniency, he'd be wiser to grovel than to fight. Might upset the Supreme Overlord.

 

[Ring 6]

This from the guy who thinks Goodell should be given the benefit of the doubt when ownership stole $100+ million from the players.

LOLOLOLOL

Why must you lie?

 

[RobertWeathers]

If he wants leniency, he'd be wiser to grovel than to fight. Might upset the Supreme Overlord.

There is truth to what you say no question.

Its almost like fighting drunk driving (not that I would know) you may get a reduced sentence and will still be guilty and the court will never change its mind.

 

[Ring 6]

There's no such thing as a "trial" when your facing a single biased arbitrator. And give it up with the Al Davis thing. He won an antitrust suit in 1983 over re-location. Are you aware of what the outcome was in 2001?

He lost.

The NFL gave up it's antitrust exemption status BTW. You're comparing apples to asteroids.

"Putting the science on trial" does not mean filing a court case against science.

Putting the science on trial means appealing the ruling and ripping the science to shreds in a venue where the transcripts are often made public. How in the world do you have an opportunity to prove that you are not guilty and chose to not do it because you don't like the arbitrator. Its just your circular, flawed logic.

Whether Davis won or lost is not relevant to your claim that owners cannot sue the league. He sued. They didn't reject his case based on your belief that he is not allowed to sue, they didn't put him in jail, they didn't take his team away.

Whether you can sue is as apples to apples as it gets.

 

[OhExaulted1]

HE HAD THE RIGHT TO AN APPEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read:

How will Brady, Patriots fight against Deflategate punishments?

 

[Mack Herron]

Brady will not accept any suspension, so there is no negotiation.

Should the decision favor the NFL, Brady has little choice but to accept it. Of course there are still legal options, as always, but like Kraft's, they are improbable. Should the legal decision be that the suspension stands, I am guessing that would likely end the legal battle, but negotiating with the NFL would still be possible.

You are kidding right? They knew all along he did nothing and have accused him of being a cheater and lying under oath. Why would they reduce the suspension if they win?

I don't think the case was ever about Brady. Goodell has said outright that it is about the the CBA; he seeks power for the NFL to do as he pleases. Once granted that power by the court, like dictators do sometimes, he could selectively withhold some of that power to demonstrate his reasonableness, consolidate the strength of the 32, and perhaps extract some sort of acknowledgment of his supreme leadership.

I understand you give this no credence. Have you got another theory? I was really only trying to elicit ideas.

 

[XLIX]

Why must you lie?

No lies. You argued in favor of giving Goodell and the league office the benefit of the doubt. It's true and you know it.

As everyone in this forum knows, you are physically incapable of letting someone else have the last word but I, being far more mature than you, have no such weakness. I'm right, I know I'm right, you know I'm right and anyone who followed the "$100 million" thread knows I'm right.

"Giving ANYONE the benefit of the doubt is the intelligent thing to do." - Andy Johnson
"Do you not see how a patriot fan "convicting" the NFL on a gut feeling is hypocritical?" - Andy Johnson

 

[ReverendMaynard]

Read:

How will Brady, Patriots fight against Deflategate punishments?

Read your own link...

In an appeal to Goodell, Kraft would implore the commissioner to reconsider the severity of the penalty.

From Kraft's own mouth...

I’m going to accept reluctantly what he has given to us, and not continue this dialog and rhetoric, and we won’t appeal.

Robert Kraft says Patriots will not appeal team punishment for Deflategate

Why is he announcing he won't appeal if there's no avenue to appeal?

 

[OhExaulted1]

"Putting the science on trial" does not mean filing a court case against science.

Putting the science on trial means appealing the ruling and ripping the science to shreds in a venue where the transcripts are often made public. How in the world do you have an opportunity to prove that you are not guilty and chose to not do it because you don't like the arbitrator. Its just your circular, flawed logic.

Whether Davis won or lost is not relevant to your claim that owners cannot sue the league. He sued. They didn't reject his case based on your belief that he is not allowed to sue, they didn't put him in jail, they didn't take his team away.

Whether you can sue is as apples to apples as it gets.

It's like going up against a judge on the take, not an arbitrator you "don't like".

As for Davis, you're trying to compare suing over unfairness in a league designed draft system to the actual re-locating of an entire franchise.

You seriously don't see the difference?

 

[OhExaulted1]

Read your own link...



From Kraft's own mouth...



Robert Kraft says Patriots will not appeal team punishment for Deflategate

Why is he announcing he won't appeal if there's no avenue to appeal?

 

[Ring 6]

Should the decision favor the NFL, Brady has little choice but to accept it. Of course there are still legal options, as always, but like Kraft's, they are improbable. Should the legal decision be that the suspension stands, I am guessing that would likely end the legal battle, but negotiating with the NFL would still be possible.

How do you negotiate when its over and you have lost?
Am I missing something here? You are saying after Brady loses and has no recourse the league will come to him to negotiate the penalty that just got affirmed?

I don't think the case was ever about Brady. Goodell has said outright that it is about the the CBA; he seeks power for the NFL to do as he pleases. Once granted that power by the court, like dictators do sometimes, he could selectively withhold some of that power to demonstrate his reasonableness, consolidate the strength of the 32, and perhaps extract some sort of acknowledgment of his supreme leadership.

I understand you give this no credence. Have you got another theory?

Nothing about Goodell has ever said he would have his ruling upheld then lessen it. He is on record saying Brady is a liar, under oath, and paid off employees in a scheme to cheat.

Another theory about what?
The website? Public relations. Kraft has no other recourse.

 

[Ring 6]

It's like going up against a judge on the take, not an arbitrator you "don't like".

No it isn't.

As for Davis, you're trying to compare suing over unfairness in a league designed draft system to the actual re-locating of an entire franchise.

I am comparing an owner who sued the league to your comment that Kraft can't sue the league because owners are not allowed to. Pretty simple.

You seriously don't see the difference?

There is no difference. If owners are not allowed to sue the league, owners are not allowed to sue the league. You can't be a little bit pregnant.