Patriots kick the tires on Tet

[Hugepatsfan]

Scar said to view the player as a whole, not just his arms length. If it's ok with him, I am more than ok with it.

In the same interview he said not to take Campbell at #4 too. It's incredibly disingenuous to pick and choose quotes from an interview where his overall assessment was to NOT take Campbell and citing it to give your opinion credibility. It's absolutely 100% fine if you want to take Campbell, but you can't name drop Scar to pump up your credibility on that opinion when he disagrees with you.

Several people have quoted Scar on this and I feel the need to call it out each time I see it. It's very, very disingenuous.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Warren screams generational talent to you Gronk Jr?? We don't Need TE that bad: I mean not Tip 10 bad Hunter Henry and Hooper will be just fine thank you.

The #4 pick will sign a 4 year deal with an option for year 5 that gets picked up if he's any good. Hooper and Henry are most likely off this team in 1 and 2 years, respectively, or at least not starting level players much longer than that.

We have a 2nd year QB and most would project as, despite some improvements, one of the least talented teams in the NFL still. Hopefully we improve, but realistically if this team ever gets back to competing for division crowns and deep playoff runs it will be in a couple of years from now as opposed to immediately.

Passing on someone you think could be an elite talent on account of a couple of decent JAGs on the team at that spot now is incredibly silly. You reach for and prioritize needs when you have a complete roster that just needs some fine tuning and help in a few spots to push you over the top. Not when you're starting at basically ground zero. Like 80% of the roster will be churned over in the next couple of seasons anyway.

I found a post talking about the Chiefs Super Bowl 54 roster (year they beat SF the first time) compared to their Super Bowl 58 roster (year they beat SF the 2nd time, so last year). In that span, only 11 players remained on their roster. Several were backups or specialists. That's how much a SUPER BOWL CALIBER roster churns over in the span of a rookie contract, never mind one of the worst rosters in the NFL like ours.

 

[Steve102]

Warren screams generational talent to you Gronk Jr?? We don't Need TE that bad: I mean not Top 10 bad Hunter Henry and Hooper will be just fine thank you.

I don't know, your holiness, that's the thing. None of the guys scream generational.

 

[Steve102]

In the same interview he said not to take Campbell at #4 too. It's incredibly disingenuous to pick and choose quotes from an interview where his overall assessment was to NOT take Campbell and citing it to give your opinion credibility. It's absolutely 100% fine if you want to take Campbell, but you can't name drop Scar to pump up your credibility on that opinion when he disagrees with you.

Several people have quoted Scar on this and I feel the need to call it out each time I see it. It's very, very disingenuous.

I didn't see that he said don't take him at #4. Not being disingenuous.

 

[PatsFan2]

The #4 pick will sign a 4 year deal with an option for year 5 that gets picked up if he's any good. Hooper and Henry are most likely off this team in 1 and 2 years, respectively, or at least not starting level players much longer than that.

We have a 2nd year QB and most would project as, despite some improvements, one of the least talented teams in the NFL still. Hopefully we improve, but realistically if this team ever gets back to competing for division crowns and deep playoff runs it will be in a couple of years from now as opposed to immediately.

Passing on someone you think could be an elite talent on account of a couple of decent JAGs on the team at that spot now is incredibly silly. You reach for and prioritize needs when you have a complete roster that just needs some fine tuning and help in a few spots to push you over the top. Not when you're starting at basically ground zero. Like 80% of the roster will be churned over in the next couple of seasons anyway.

I found a post talking about the Chiefs Super Bowl 54 roster (year they beat SF the first time) compared to their Super Bowl 58 roster (year they beat SF the 2nd time, so last year). In that span, only 11 players remained on their roster. Several were backups or specialists. That's how much a SUPER BOWL CALIBER roster churns over in the span of a rookie contract, never mind one of the worst rosters in the NFL like ours.

I would take a RB like Jeanty before I take a TE like Warren: and I'm sure Vrabel would do the name.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't know, your holiness, that's the thing. None of the guys scream generational.

Jeanty?? Barkley Pt.II??

 

[Steve102]

Jeanty?? Barkley Pt.II??

Maybe?

Is Hampton Derrick Henry 2.0 later on?

 

[Love The Drake]

Whoever we take at 4 if we don’t trade up or down has to be a difference maker. Can’t take a safe low ceiling pick.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I would take a RB like Jeanty before I take a TE like Warren: and I'm sure Vrabel would do the name.

That's fair. I really mean more as a genuine philosophy than specific names. Your post I responded to said we didn't need a TE like that because we have Henry/Hooper. My point is that they shouldn't be making any decisions on the draft based on having Henry/Hooper or players of that caliber. They're so insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[PatsFan2]

Maybe?

Is Hampton Derrick Henry 2.0 later on?

O Hampton have a ways to go in the Blocking department: he kinda shys away from that. I hate RB's who stink in that area: that's how you get QB's injured. T Henderson is one of the better ones at Blocking from the RB position. I like him more than Hampton.

 

[PatsFan2]

That's fair. I really mean more as a genuine philosophy than specific names. Your post I responded to said we didn't need a TE like that because we have Henry/Hooper. My point is that they shouldn't be making any decisions on the draft based on having Henry/Hooper or players of that caliber. They're so insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

This TE class have Excellent dept after the Top: I like in this order Taylor - Ferguson - Lachey - Mitch Evans and Conyers.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

This TE class have Excellent dept after the Top: I like in this order Taylor - Ferguson - Lachey - Mitch Evans and Conyers.

Yeah, by most accounts there's great depth at RB, TE, DT and EDGE in this draft. I would hope that we use a lot of our day 2 and 3 picks on those spots if that's where the value lies. But again, at #4 even, I really wouldn't consider needs because this roster is still pretty close to ground zero. The ONLY position I'm writing off is QB because of Maye obviously.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Then why even bring him to Foxboro?
Is it possible Vrabs sees him as a AJ Brown.
And wants to get to know the man to make the determination himself?

A guy with no motor isn’t AJ Brown. You can’t teach work ethic, someone either has it or they don’t. If they take MacMillan it will be the worst pick in the entire draft, league wide. He’s a dog.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Pass. he has some luggage

 

[PatsFan2]

Then why even bring him to Foxboro?
Is it possible Vrabs sees him as a AJ Brown.
And wants to get to know the man to make the determination himself?

Good post: sometimes Coaches fall in love with some players after private workouts. N Harry - Cole Strange and Boney Thornton among others won GM BB over to the dismay of some Fans like myself. Maybe King Tet will win Vrabel over: maybe he feels a guy like Diggs can help him reach his potential. You can't Teach what King Tet already got Mike Evans Pt.II.

 

[signbabybrady]

So.... who's that? Warren maybe? It ain't this kid. That's the thing. There's no TD scorer or QB rusher at #4 if it goes (in some order) Ward, Hunter, Carter.

I'd suggest Graham, Walker, or Will Johnson because I know you don't want to hear about offense.

But again I'm good with Campbell if Vrabel and Wolf are. It's just hard for me on my own to overlook the arms considering pretty much everyone agrees it's a major concern.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Then why even bring him to Foxboro?
Is it possible Vrabs sees him as a AJ Brown.
And wants to get to know the man to make the determination himself?

Because you want every other team to be uncertain about what you will do, and to do due diligence on players. Or they think he could be there at 38. However, if they take him, I will lose all faith that they know what they are doing, because it will be a horrible pick. You don’t build a winner with lazy as **** players.

 

[signbabybrady]

A guy with no motor isn’t AJ Brown. You can’t teach work ethic, someone either has it or they don’t. If they take MacMillan it will be the worst pick in the entire draft, league wide. He’s a dog.

I know there's the clip of him saying he doesn't like film study. But that doesn't seem like enough to call the kid a dog. Do you have any other evidence that suggests he's a dog?

His production over multiple seasons on a bad team with a bad QB would indicate he put in the effort even in meaningless games.

I've been convinced 4 his too high for him. I haven't completely removed him from my wish list so if we trade down or he falls far enough we could trade up for him I'm still very interested. But I'm open to more info if you have more than just that one clip that indicates he's a dog?

 

[Steve102]

I'd suggest Graham, Walker, or Will Johnson because I know you don't want to hear about offense.

But again I'm good with Campbell if Vrabel and Wolf are. It's just hard for me on my own to overlook the arms considering pretty much everyone agrees it's a major concern.

I'm good with offense. I just want to chit on the guys who want to take WRs with every pick. The thing that I keep going back to the guy they take at #4 is going to be viewed as a good pick if they take him at #'s 6-10, because there's no consensus #4 pick. I guess I don't care what position they pick as long as they get a day 1 starter and a guy worthy of a second contract.

There's reports out there that Tet is a comp to Tee Higgins, and just about everyone would take Tee Higgins, so ok. I get there's question marks on his drive and football character. Ok. Graham is a Vrabel type of guy, and probably a long term player on this roster but he's not a TD scorer. He would make the DL maybe the best in the NFL, certainly the best in the AFCE, so that's something. Is Warren Gronk 2.0? Probably not, but he might be Kittle and we'd all take that player too. Jeanty might be Emmitt Smith or Saquan, but he played in a conference that's not the big 10 or the SEC, and size is a concern. Tough to take a RB at #4 when the guy available at #38 might be 95% of the guy at #4. I know Walker is a riser, but I haven't done any homework on him, same as Johnson. The LTs... Simmons, Campbell, and Banks, one is available later in R1. Then there's the second tier guys; Conerly, Ersery... plus throw Membou in there somewhere. All those guys could be gone by the time they get to #38. I still think the play might be BPA in R1 and then Ozzy Trapilo at #38, assuming the six OTs are gone. I get that's too high for Trapilo, but you have to think that position is over drafted, and he'll go before they get back to the pick at #69.

I think unless it's Carter or Higgins, everyone is gonna be mad because they didn't trade back. IMO the only way they get a good offer to trade back is because Carter or Hunter are there. Otherwise, teams will get take who falls to them somewhere in the top 10.

Unfortunately, it's a chitty year to be at #4.

 

[lancerman]

I know there's the clip of him saying he doesn't like film study. But that doesn't seem like enough to call the kid a dog. Do you have any other evidence that suggests he's a dog?

His production over multiple seasons on a bad team with a bad QB would indicate he put in the effort even in meaningless games.

I've been convinced 4 his too high for him. I haven't completely removed him from my wish list so if we trade down or he falls far enough we could trade up for him I'm still very interested. But I'm open to more info if you have more than just that one clip that indicates he's a dog?

There very famously was a player named Randy Moss who got criticized constantly for things he said regarding effort