Patriots DC Terrell Williams Left Practice Monday

[captain stone]

As if Reiss actually had to point him out to us... LOL...

(Hint: it's the dude with the inflated beach ball under his shirt...)

 

[signbabybrady]

He's never been a DC so we don't know that.

Vrabel chose him for a reason and I trust him to decide when the time to change would be. Now wouldn't seem like the most ideal time especially over dehydration. Let's not be silly.

 

[captain stone]

I assert competence in Vrabel. You seem to believe you know everything with pretty much zero information on the subject yet you continue to dig deeper and deeper into your stupid take.

Vrabel is Mister Loyalty Uber Alles, experience & competency be damned.

You have No ****ing Idea if this dude's gonna be any good at his new job, which he has NEVER had before, btw.

 

[captain stone]

We don't know to even believe he can't do his job but let's play it out.

If he is physically limited they'll put him up in the skybox for the the year...

Of that you can pretty much be guar-on-teed.

 

[signbabybrady]

Vrabel is Mister Loyalty Uber Alles, experience & competency be damned.

You have No ****ing Idea if this dude's gonna be any good at his new job, which he has NEVER had before, btw.

So you just want to move on directly to Kuhn even though Vrabel seems more than happy and wants to keep Williams.

You have No ****ing Idea if that dude's gonna be any good at his new job either, which he has also NEVER had before, btw.

 

[captain stone]

How the hell do you know it is clear he can't do the job? Based on what?

Based on his inability to be on the same field as his charges...?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Based on his inability to be on the same field as his charges...?

He was on the field.

 

[captain stone]

He was on the field.

Until he wasn't...

Don't know if this will be the only incident during the year either.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Until he wasn't...

Don't know if this will be the only incident during the year either.

Hes back now.

People are jumping to way too many conclusions without knowing exactly what is going on with him right now with his health.

 

[n1997y]

I figured it was pretty clear. Parcells let his health get in the way to the point it played a role in his stepping down. And he even got it under control to the point he came back and led a team to SB.

I don’t think it’s clear the Tuna ignored his health so it interfered with his job. In 1992 he had a coronary artery bypass graft (CABG), also known as bypass surgery, after several previous angioplasties to deal with blockages. Arteriosclerosis has a lifestyle component but not as clear cut as morbid obesity. Even with morbid obesity that’s probably an oversimplification. Anyway, I don’t think it’s a valid comparison.

As a side note, I’ve been interested in Parsell’s surgical history since hearing Bill give a shout out to my cousin’s husband for saving his life by performing that surgery. Had “A Football Life” on in the background, not really paying attention until I heard Parsells mention Paul’s name. I remember him routinely leaving Thanksgiving dinner to go check on patients. Pretty cool to hear from one of his patients.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don’t think it’s clear the Tuna ignored his health so it interfered with his job. In 1992 he had a coronary artery bypass graft (CABG), also known as bypass surgery, after several previous angioplasties to deal with blockages. Arteriosclerosis has a lifestyle component but not as clear cut as morbid obesity. Even with morbid obesity that’s probably an oversimplification. Anyway, I don’t think it’s a valid comparison.

As a side note, I’ve been interested in Parsell’s surgical history since hearing Bill give a shout out to my cousin’s husband for saving his life by performing that surgery. Had “A Football Life” on in the background, not really paying attention until I heard Parsells mention Paul’s name. I remember him routinely leaving Thanksgiving dinner to go check on patients. Pretty cool to hear from one of his patients.

If I'm not remembering when he had surgery correctly then so be it but it's still pretty close comp unless you think it played zero part.

My recall is that he had the bypass between the Giants and coming here. But I was pretty young. If it was just before leaving the Giants I don't think that changes much.

 

[n1997y]

If I'm not remembering when he had surgery correctly then so be it but it's still pretty close comp unless you think it played zero part.

My recall is that he had the bypass between the Giants and coming here. But I was pretty young. If it was just before leaving the Giants I don't think that changes much.

He had several angioplasties in 1991 and 1992 before the bypass in 1992. Obviously developed arteriosclerosis over the years leading up to that. He had resigned from the Giants several months before the first angioplasty.

Thing is, I don’t think you can fault anyone for being unable to perform due to a medical condition that is not their fault.

But you can fault someone for not taking care of their health and developing an avoidable medical condition, such as obesity.

Parsells is not a good comp because he isn’t clearly in that second category. Terrell Williams is.

I also think there’s a big difference between stepping away from a job to take care of your health as Parsells did, and not taking care of your health while continuing to work until you drop in the middle of the workplace and disrupt the entire operation as Williams did. Again, not at all a good comp.

 

[signbabybrady]

He had several angioplasties in 1991 and 1992 before the bypass in 1992. Obviously developed arteriosclerosis over the years leading up to that. He had resigned from the Giants several months before the first angioplasty.

Thing is, I don’t think you can fault anyone for being unable to perform due to a medical condition that is not their fault.

But you can fault someone for not taking care of their health and developing an avoidable medical condition, such as obesity.

Parsells is not a good comp because he isn’t clearly in that second category. Terrell Williams is.

I also think there’s a big difference between stepping away from a job to take care of your health as Parsells did, and not taking care of your health while continuing to work until you drop in the middle of the workplace and disrupt the entire operation as Williams did. Again, not at all a good comp.

What is Terrell Williams condition?

And your holding dehydration against him pretty harshly.

 

[n1997y]

What is Terrell Williams condition?

When last observed apparently functional. Recently was unable to function and required medical intervention.

Obvious obesity.

Recent dehydration. Possible predisposition? Perhaps related to other factors, e.g. medications, weight, choices regarding diet and fluid intake? Somewhat suspicious because it occurred in a situation in which hydration is preached and readily available, thus may show poor self monitoring and self care.

Other conditions unknown.

 

[signbabybrady]

When last observed apparently functional. Recently was unable to function and required medical intervention.

Obvious obesity.

Recent dehydration. Possible predisposition? Perhaps related to other factors, e.g. medications, weight, choices regarding diet and fluid intake? Somewhat suspicious because it occurred in a situation in which hydration is preached and readily available, thus may show poor self monitoring and self care.

Other conditions unknown.

And that's enough to conclude he should be fired?

 

[n1997y]

And that's enough to conclude he should be fired?

Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said he should be fired.

There’s a possibility he should be on a medical leave of absence. That depends on factors that are not public.

I will say that if I was his supervisor we would have a formal counseling session about the importance of self care. There is absolutely no excuse to experience dehydration in that setting. That is unsat job performance.

 

[n1997y]

And your holding dehydration against him pretty harshly.

Yes. Dehydration is widely known to be serious ****. It has killed football players in summer practice sessions. It’s a big deal.

Under the present CBA and NFL rules, what would happen if a player collapsed during practice due to dehydration? How large would the fines be? What other penalties might be incurred?

Now, who is responsible for keeping the team out of such trouble? Might it be the DC?

For most of the past twenty years my summer vacation has involved heavy physical labor in the high desert during August, in the middle of the day. Everybody knows the importance of hydration. Everybody constantly reminds everybody around them to hydrate. There are people who have the job of keeping the crew hydrated. It’s not a secret.

Why was Gatorade invented? To keep football players hydrated! It’s not a secret.

It’s just dumb and sloppy, both, to let yourself get dehydrated in the middle of a summer NFL practice.

Accountability.

Not excuses.

 

[signbabybrady]

Yes. Dehydration is widely known to be serious ****. It has killed football players in summer practice sessions. It’s a big deal.

Under the present CBA and NFL rules, what would happen if a player collapsed during practice due to dehydration? How large would the fines be? What other penalties might be incurred?

Now, who is responsible for keeping the team out of such trouble? Might it be the DC?

For most of the past twenty years my summer vacation has involved heavy physical labor in the high desert during August, in the middle of the day. Everybody knows the importance of hydration. Everybody constantly reminds everybody around them to hydrate. There are people who have the job of keeping the crew hydrated. It’s not a secret.

Why was Gatorade invented? To keep football players hydrated! It’s not a secret.

It’s just dumb and sloppy, both, to let yourself get dehydrated in the middle of a summer NFL practice.

Accountability.

Not excuses.

 

[Sect140]

Vrabel calls him Big T. If I’m Vrabel I tell him that next off season I want to be able to call you Little T.

 

[Captain Cliche]

Totally off topic...

I have a Biology degree and have worked in alternative medicine. I currently see a Naturopath in addition to regular MD.

1. Arteriosclerosis can be either diet related or a genetic predisposition. For some people, like myself, you will develop plaque regardless of diet. Fats and oils are not the major contributor as we have been led to believe. Plaque will build up at a higher rate on stints than on your natural arterial walls.
IMPORTANT: They can now test Lp(a) for genetic predisposition to plaque buildup.
It is becoming a common test.
The target is <35 mg/Dl. Mine is 72. It is just the genetic hand I have been dealt. Everything else for me is in spec. Good cholesterol levels do not necessarily mean good arterial health.

2. It is also possible to reverse plaque buildup.
Years ago they noticed men being treated with chelation for lead poisoning did not get heart attacks.
A byproduct of this treatment was plaque reduction. Genetic predisposition for heart attacks, stroke, high blood pressure does not have to be a death sentence.

Why do I know this?
In addition to a degree and background in these disciplines, I had a minor stroke 2 years ago and had to get some answers.

Why is this not common knowledge?
It is still considered "alternative" and not accepted by the standard medical community...and it doesn't make the large pharmaceutical companies any money.
After my stroke, I asked my doctors about chelation. They either had no clue, or told me horror stories about it killing people...which was total BS urban folklore.

Facts:
My Naturopath told me he had a patient with a heart condition that did an MRI pre and post chelation.
The post chelation showed a marked reduction in blockage.
The doctors said the first MRI must have been mistaken.
A fellow patient, 86 yo, told me he had to do an MRI for and unrelated issue on his shoulder. The doctors were amazed at how plaque free his arteries were.

Take this information however you want. If your doctor doesn't know what you are talking about, consult a naturopath.