Patriots average 2.4 seconds in the pocket, good for 12th in the league (Per PFR)

[jeremy2020]

Not really, I don't think anyone was implying anything close to that, at all, nor has any discussion centered around that.

Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Vindicate]

Lighten up, Francis.

Get better jokes, Nancy.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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Saw this on Reddit, cross posting to here - the Patriots are averaging 2.4 seconds in the pocket per PFR, good for 12th - a time shared by about 5 other teams.

Interesting, as this would suggest the disaster ain't just at OL. I understand this isn't anything revelatory, we're all aware of how slow Brissett is in his reads. Just thought it was an interesting stat.

Nobody's gonna put Brissett in Canton for his reads, but the problem might have a little something to do with his Receivers' not getting open. I'll leave it to folks who are better at reading Game Film than I am to say how much is on the O-line, how much is on the Receivers and how much is on Jacoby, but my two cents is that Brissett is just trying to survive back there.

 

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- 8th fewest pass attempts in the league, yet they've surrendered the 8th most sacks, for a 3rd-worst sack rate of 12.5%.

- Have been blitzed just 12 times, which is 7th fewest in the league, they have the 5th highest pressure rate, at 30.2%

- Thursday night Jacoby Brissett dropped back 23 times, was pressured 12 of those, and sacked 5 of them. For Drake Maye, it was 12 dropbacks, 5 pressures and 2 sacks.

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[Vindicate]

Yeah, there is a disclaimer on the page that says that the stats are updated on Wednesday's and that the stats shown right now are through Week 2. If the Patriots don't drop drastically after it is updated tomorrow, I would question the validity of this stat. The Jets pass rushers were living in the pocket.

The stats now reflect through week 3, and the stat still remains lol. I was surprised to see it unchanged myself after you had explained their latency in updating.

 

[Jim Beankie]

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Saw this on Reddit, cross posting to here - the Patriots are averaging 2.4 seconds in the pocket per PFR, good for 12th - a time shared by about 5 other teams.

Interesting, as this would suggest the disaster ain't just at OL. I understand this isn't anything revelatory, we're all aware of how slow Brissett is in his reads. Just thought it was an interesting stat.

Maye in 2 different sites have PkTime at 2.0s for his lone drive. I also like that based on the different metrics, his quick 1 yard scramble to a bodyslam doesn't count as a hit, which means also not a pressure since there's no hurry marked. Reminds me that it's still all very subjective (like dropped passes).

 

[Brick27]

Nobody's gonna put Brissett in Canton for his reads, but the problem might have a little something to do with his Receivers' not getting open. I'll leave it to folks who are better at reading Game Film than I am to say how much is on the O-line, how much is on the Receivers and how much is on Jacoby, but my two cents is that Brissett is just trying to survive back there.

It seems like it’s a tough task in general assessing WRs with this sort of thing. Saw an article a few years ago regarding the average yards of separation metric that’s been thrown around more. It’s been found that this number is slightly negatively correlated to receiving yards, and on average players with more receiving yards are correlated with less separation. This seems to make sense when thinking of guys who can snag tough catches in tight spaces vs. more gimme catches

 

[jeremy2020]

Get better jokes, Nancy.

Maybe read your own thread and see that other people got it before you you couldn't keep your feel feels inside anymore. Miami and McDaniel might be more your speed.

 

[Pape]

the average pocket time is 2.4 per pfr... look at the pressure rate of 37.5%, which is the worst in the league... so nearly 40% of the time, the qb is under pressure... in terms of pocket time, of the 9 teams who average out to 2.4s pocket time, the Pats are dead last... the next closest is nyg, who have a pressure percentage of 30.5%... its not a good look...

I think we are stuck smack dab in the middle of the pack in pocket time because of the pass plays we call... we do not push the ball down the field... avp really does not call a lot of long developing pass routes, which require better than average pass protection ... because that pass pro is just not there...

so it basically bears out the refrain, fix the line... will the line get better if Lowe, Sow and Strange play? one would hope so... that pressure percentage needs to be brought down to a manageable level... 37.5% is way too high... especially in light of Jacoby being on the slow side of getting the ball out of the pocket...

 

[archstanton543]

the average pocket time is 2.4 per pfr... look at the pressure rate of 37.5%, which is the worst in the league... so nearly 40% of the time, the qb is under pressure... in terms of pocket time, of the 9 teams who average out to 2.4s pocket time, the Pats are dead last... the next closest is nyg, who have a pressure percentage of 30.5%... its not a good look...

I think we are stuck smack dab in the middle of the pack in pocket time because of the pass plays we call... we do not push the ball down the field... avp really does not call a lot of long developing pass routes, which require better than average pass protection ... because that pass pro is just not there...

so it basically bears out the refrain, fix the line... will the line get better if Lowe, Sow and Strange play? one would hope so... that pressure percentage needs to be brought down to a manageable level... 37.5% is way too high... especially in light of Jacoby being on the slow side of getting the ball out of the pocket...

The article linked in the OP didn't account for last Thursday's game. The ranking is likely much lower when they factor that in.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

It seems like it’s a tough task in general assessing WRs with this sort of thing. Saw an article a few years ago regarding the average yards of separation metric that’s been thrown around more. It’s been found that this number is slightly negatively correlated to receiving yards, and on average players with more receiving yards are correlated with less separation. This seems to make sense when thinking of guys who can snag tough catches in tight spaces vs. more gimme catches

That's a good point. Top receivers seem to be a combination of guys who can get open in a tight passing lane (thinking of Amendola here...he could turn on a dime and Brady could throw before he turned his back) and who can somehow make tough catches that other receivers can't grab (thinking of Edelman's catch in SB LI). Some do both consistently (thinking of Gronk and Randy Moss here).

 

[Vindicate]

Maybe read your own thread and see that other people got it before you you couldn't keep your feel feels inside anymore. Miami and McDaniel might be more your speed.

You're still trying at this? Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Vindicate]

The article linked in the OP didn't account for last Thursday's game. The ranking is likely much lower when they factor that in.

They updated yesterday and the stat remains the same (shockingly)

 

[VrabelJr]

There’s lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.

Looking solely at time in the pocket is cherry picking. Surely being sacked positively adds to pocket time because it takes additional time to bring the QB down. A more interesting stat to evaluate the OL would be time in pocket before pressure arrives.

Regardless, we don’t need such stats when the eyes will do. Our OL is bad.

 

[TommyD4207]

Oh ok.. Sow Is back at practice, and so is your boy Lowe too.

Can't wait for the mid-off to see who starts.

 

[Vindicate]

There’s lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.

Looking solely at time in the pocket is cherry picking. Surely being sacked positively adds to pocket time because it takes additional time to bring the QB down. A more interesting stat to evaluate the OL would be time in pocket before pressure arrives.

Regardless, we don’t need such stats when the eyes will do. Our OL is bad.

Interesting, I didn't think about how they could factor that in. Wouldnt that be a collapse in pocket, and therefore stop the timer for the stat? Genuinely asking.

 

[Vindicate]

the average pocket time is 2.4 per pfr... look at the pressure rate of 37.5%, which is the worst in the league... so nearly 40% of the time, the qb is under pressure... in terms of pocket time, of the 9 teams who average out to 2.4s pocket time, the Pats are dead last... the next closest is nyg, who have a pressure percentage of 30.5%... its not a good look...

I think we are stuck smack dab in the middle of the pack in pocket time because of the pass plays we call... we do not push the ball down the field... avp really does not call a lot of long developing pass routes, which require better than average pass protection ... because that pass pro is just not there...

so it basically bears out the refrain, fix the line... will the line get better if Lowe, Sow and Strange play? one would hope so... that pressure percentage needs to be brought down to a manageable level... 37.5% is way too high... especially in light of Jacoby being on the slow side of getting the ball out of the pocket...

It's frustrating that a lack of personnel can hamper play calling so much that it makes evaluating anything outside the OL a difficult task. That's why it's also hard for me to hop on the Blame AVP wagon - if his play calling is being restricted because our line of 6 can't block 4.... Wtf are you supposed to do as a playcaller?

 

[Pape]

It's frustrating that a lack of personnel can hamper play calling so much that it makes evaluating anything outside the OL a difficult task. That's why it's also hard for me to hop on the Blame AVP wagon - if his play calling is being restricted because our line of 6 can't block 4.... Wtf are you supposed to do as a playcaller?

I agree... It is frustrating, I would like to see if AVP can call a good game... while he wasn't my choice of OC's (at that point, we should have brought back Josh - who i realize is a polarizing figure) its a team game... only as good as your weakest link.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree... It is frustrating, I would like to see if AVP can call a good game... while he wasn't my choice of OC's (at that point, we should have brought back Josh - who i realize is a polarizing figure) its a team game... only as good as your weakest link.

The lack of QB can also hinder play calling.. we know the line situation. Aside from the that the limits on the signal caller can also hamper what an OC can call. As I've posted we are gaining nothing by continuing to trott Jacoby out there. Once we can get the players back for the line to be at least mediocre we should see improved offense I'd imagine. I wouldn't have minded Josh either. However he's loyal to Bill. Where Bill ends up expect Josh to be there.