Pat Chung's clean hit on Henne

[NE39]

Do you know what the crown of the helmet is?

The top of the head.

Chung dropped his head before lauching himself. He should have kept his eyes up.

 

[Joker]

WOW! Thanks, man. I totally see it now that you pointed it out. I guess that's waht I get for listening to Dan the Dumba** on the replay.

Yes, Burgess clearly hit him in the head with his helmet. Totally justified 15 yard penalty.

uh...thanx I guess...any idea how to get this through to the rest of these blind mice ?

 

[blackglass3]

Ease up on the name calling.

If you watch, he lowered his head just before delivering the blow. That is why it was called. If he kept his eyes up it would not have been a penalty.

No, they called it on Derrick Burgess, because as Henne was going down Burgess (accidentaly, not that that matters one way or the other) hit Henne helmet to helmet.

The refs called it on 53; Deirdorf was the one who said the refs were wrong. As usual, he looks like an idiot (he is good at that).

 

[IcyPatriot]

The top of the head.

Chung dropped his head before lauching himself. He should have kept his eyes up.

Never dipped his head even a centimeter ... his eyes were up the entire way.

As for Burgess ... Carey had a nice grab of his jersey ... in Henne's head's direction.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

All I have to say is that I think Chung is awesome. He reminds me a lot of Rodney.

Yeah, we can't have those penalties all the time but a little reminder of Rodney will do this team some good. Brandon Squared + Chung is a great trio.

 

[jays52]

The top of the head.

Chung dropped his head before lauching himself. He should have kept his eyes up.

Chung's facemask was firmly planted in the breastplate of the QB, with his back flat, exploding through the hips, while maintaining a solid wrap up. This is a textbook tackle.

 

[NE39]

This is all very interesting, but the penalty was on BURGESS, not Chung. If you watch the video you see that burgess comes around the tackle and makes helmet to helmet contact with Henne on Henne's way down. Dierdorf notes (correctly) that the penalty was on Burgess and then (incorrectly) reasons that the official must have meant Chung.

No, it was Chung. See the gamebook for the play-by-play. It is on page 10 (of 12).

 

[NE39]

Chung's facemask was firmly planted in the breastplate of the QB, with his back flat, exploding through the hips, while maintaining a solid wrap up. This is a textbook tackle.

I disagree. He dropped his eyes and launched himself. He got called for it.

I love the kid and his aggressiveness, but it was a good call, IMO.

 

[upstater1]

WOW! Thanks, man. I totally see it now that you pointed it out. I guess that's waht I get for listening to Dan the Dumba** on the replay.

Yes, Burgess clearly hit him in the head with his helmet. Totally justified 15 yard penalty.

Not justified if they called it on Burgess. Burgess had a guy riding him and Henne was snapped back into Burgess. Burgess would be clairoyant to do that intentionally. His head was down and he was being whipped around by the OL.

 

[Joker]

WTF is THAT supposed to mean? The gamebook is the infallible bible? It's a mistake...the same mistake YOU and the rest of the herd have been making for the past two days.

 

[Joker]

Not justified if they called it on Burgess. Burgess had a guy riding him and Henne was snapped back into Burgess. Burgess would be clairoyant to do that intentionally. His head was down and he was being whipped around by the OL.

there no justify to it...helmet to helmet is 15 yards...no excuses

 

[mayoclinic]

I don't know how the actual penalty was recorded (Chung vs. Burgess), but I think that it was a justifiable penalty on Chung.

Burgess clearly made head to head contact with Henne after the hit by Chung but he was driven into him by Vernon Carey. I don't believe that that would be a penalty.

Chung's hit may have been technically legal, but it was way too close to being a blow to the head or spearing to not be called.

TB gets that call 10 times out of 10. Henne should get it too. A good hit, but a dumb one.

With that in mind, I would mind Peyton taking a few (legal) shots like that this weekend. I imagine that might affect his accuracy a bit.

 

[jays52]

I disagree. He dropped his eyes and launched himself. He got called for it.

I love the kid and his aggressiveness, but it was a good call, IMO.

For what it's worth, you never drop your eyes when you make a tackle. Even if you drop your head, you're still looking up as you go into contact. Can't hit what you can't see.

Chung also never launched. He just drove though the QB like Henne was a tackling dummy. Indeed, it looked like a form tackle in practice on a sled. Note the wrap, facemask plant, hip explosion, and drive. That's practice sh*t at gamespeed, dude.

 

[Patspsycho]

The top of the head.

Chung dropped his head before lauching himself. He should have kept his eyes up.

No he didn't. If he had dropped his helmet, he would not have been able to wrap his arms around Henne. Can't tackle what you can't see.

 

[NE39]

WTF is THAT supposed to mean? The gamebook is the infallible bible? It's a mistake...the same mistake YOU and the rest of the herd have been making for the past two days.

It is the official play-by-play put out by the NFL. That is the way it was scored at the game. Sometimes there are scoring changes, but that is how the NFL recorded it at the time.

The call was on Chung.

 

[ALP]

OK, 1st Chungs hit (b/c honelsty we cant be 100% sure on who the refs called it)

from almost ALL angles it seems like chung's helmet hit henne's facemask....no matter how many time u watch it....HOWEVER, if u look at the last viewpoint from the clip, u can see that chung goes on the side, to the shoulder, and when burgress hits henne his head goes forward quite a bit

if chungs crown had hit henne, there would not be any space there, chung's hit was clean, even though it looks over and over as if it was helmet to helmet

as for if the penalty was on burgress....it was NOT justified...helmet to helmet is a rule, UNLESS you can pushed into the qb, and that time the qb came to burgress....that should NOT have been called

 

[letekro]

No, it was Chung. See the gamebook for the play-by-play. It is on page 10 (of 12).

I don't know what this proves, if anything. The fact is, the referee said "53". Sometimes they say the wrong number and later correct it (without announcing it), but I think it's awfully hard to confuse 53 with 25 - referees know that those numbers mean LB and DB, respectively. The fact that Burgess made helmet to helmet contact with Henne, and Chung didn't, makes it more likely that the referee intended to call what he did actually call - a penalty on Burgess.

 

[NE39]

No he didn't. If he had dropped his helmet, he would not have been able to wrap his arms around Henne.

If you watch the video, you will see he drops his eyes right before the hit and launches himself. That is what the ref called. Watching full-speed, the ref made a determination, and it was because Chung dropped his eyes right before the hit.

I understand you disagree, and you can analyze it in slow-motion all you want, but I see the call. If he keeps his head up and hits him there is no call.

Of course, there still would have been defensive holding on Bodden to negate the pick, so it is kind of a moot point.

 

[Patspsycho]

If you watch the video, you will see he drops his eyes right before the hit and launches himself. That is what the ref called. Watching full-speed, the ref made a determination, and it was because Chung dropped his eyes right before the hit.

I understand you disagree, and you can analyze it in slow-motion all you want, but I see the call. If he keeps his head up and hits him there is no call.

Of course, there still would have been defensive holding on Bodden to negate the pick, so it is kind of a moot point.

Why the hell would Chung drop his eyes before the hit? It's obvious you never played football in your life.

 

[NE39]

I don't know what this proves, if anything. The fact is, the referee said "53". Sometimes they say the wrong number and later correct it (without announcing it), but I think it's awfully hard to confuse 53 with 25 - referees know that those numbers mean LB and DB, respectively. The fact that Burgess made helmet to helmet contact with Henne, and Chung didn't, makes it more likely that the referee intended to call what he did actually call - a penalty on Burgess.

The gamebook is how it was scored at the time during the game. That is how it was recorded.

Sometimes those are changed after the fact, usually to change who gets a sack or some statistical issue, but the penalty was called on Chung, not Burgess.