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Everyone should be required to serve in the military or a civilian corps for a year or two. Then you can earn the right to vote. Too many nitwits with no vested skin in the game involved with making policy. Put some time in will you fecks?!

As a vet, I disagree. The best equipment (overall), coupled with the best training, works best with a force that is voluntary. conscript based services lose that sense of service, and their most important group - the career NCOs - suffers. Without the mid-tier NCO no branch of our military can function at the level it does.
 
As a vet, I disagree. The best equipment (overall), coupled with the best training, works best with a force that is voluntary. conscript based services lose that sense of service, and their most important group - the career NCOs - suffers. Without the mid-tier NCO no branch of our military can function at the level it does.
So make it all voluntary military, and required civilian service for everyone who does not enlist. Folks can choose how they serve, but not whether they serve.
 
So make it all voluntary military, and required civilian service for everyone who does not enlist. Folks can choose how they serve, but not whether they serve.

Had a discussion about things like this a while back. I wouldn't mind seeing:

High School ends at grade 10. After that, pick one:

1 - College Prep / Associate's Degree - paid for

2 - Vocational / Trade school / Industry certs - paid for

3 - Two years military apprenticeship. These individuals are not deployable, cannot be sent overseas, complete full basic training and a three week advanced course on service history. Assigned to the closest base. Limited to E3. Spend the remaining time apprenticing in various workcenters. After that, option to enlist with automatic promotion to E4 - then attend the full tech school / AIT / A-School. If you decide to not pursue, you get 33% of option one or two.
 
Had a discussion about things like this a while back. I wouldn't mind seeing:

High School ends at grade 10. After that, pick one:

1 - College Prep / Associate's Degree - paid for

2 - Vocational / Trade school / Industry certs - paid for

3 - Two years military apprenticeship. These individuals are not deployable, cannot be sent overseas, complete full basic training and a three week advanced course on service history. Assigned to the closest base. Limited to E3. Spend the remaining time apprenticing in various workcenters. After that, option to enlist with automatic promotion to E4 - then attend the full tech school / AIT / A-School. If you decide to not pursue, you get 33% of option one or two.
With 1 & 2 including a one or two year civilian public service apprenticeship after graduation, waived for those who choose option 3 then do not opt to enlist.
 
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But I didn't ruin the Dugger thread.. wasn't me, nossir.
 
Unless it’s an American holiday or a date of historical significance (I.E., 12/7, 9/11), I agree that the flyovers aren’t necessary. Some stadiums have already cut them out.

Can’t agree on not glorifying the military, though. They’re usually kids from poor economic backgrounds risking their lives for 4 years so they can improve their futures. If you can’t glorify that, then I don’t know what you CAN glorify.
You can glorify free college. Let the poor kids go to college.
 
You can glorify free college. Let the poor kids go to college.
Always kind of amazes me that people who complain about the exorbitant costs for a college education, and the crippling student loan debt that most choose to take out to go, somehow think that allowing the government to regulate it through taxes (without transparency) is the answer.

Who pays for the free college? What happens when the market gets saturated with degrees? What’s your plan for the trades shortfall which will surely happen? Will I be reimbursed the thousands of dollars I had to pay out of pocket to put myself through school? Will others be reimbursed what they’ve paid into their student loans and have the rest of them canceled?

Free college isn’t free. The burden just shifts to the taxpayers. Now, if you want to talk about lowering the costs of going to college for these kids, I’m all ears. In no world should a class cost over $1,000 at a public university nor should a text book cost $300.
 
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Free college isn’t free. The burden just shifts to the taxpayers. Now, if you want to talk about lowering the costs of going to college for these kids, I’m all ears. In no world should a class cost over $1,000 at a public university nor should a text book cost $300.
Makes you wonder where all the money goes. Must be improvements to the facilities or just more bureaucracy (like public school/high schools).

But, the real problem with college costs is it is double wage growth (which largely matches regular inflation of 3.5%). So while the cost of college might double in say 10 years, wage growth will only go up by 50%. hence it defnitely does get much worse and quickly.

I think some colleges/universities have figured this out as they haven't raised costs in several years. Also, the cost doesn't reflect the occupation. It's fine to go to an expensive school for a STEM job, but try one for traditionally low paying jobs (social services, ...) and you'd be screwed.
 
Makes you wonder where all the money goes. Must be improvements to the facilities or just more bureaucracy (like public school/high schools).

But, the real problem with college costs is it is double wage growth (which largely matches regular inflation of 3.5%). So while the cost of college might double in say 10 years, wage growth will only go up by 50%. hence it defnitely does get much worse and quickly.

I think some colleges/universities have figured this out as they haven't raised costs in several years. Also, the cost doesn't reflect the occupation. It's fine to go to an expensive school for a STEM job, but try one for traditionally low paying jobs (social services, ...) and you'd be screwed.
My guess is some of the higher costs and revenues are going into offshore bank accounts for our local, state, and federal politicians. If you look at the curves for increases in tuition costs over the years, you can almost always trace the starting point back to the federal government getting involved in student loans. Further, there are so many jobs where your salary wouldn’t even be enough to cover the student loan debt you’d need to take out in order to get those jobs. Now, how we can look at that and arrive at the conclusion that more government involvement/oversight over taxes to ensure that college is “free” is the way to go, is beyond me. “But we can just decrease the military budget!” Yeah, I’m sure that will happen.
 
My guess is some of the higher costs and revenues are going into offshore bank accounts for our local, state, and federal politicians. If you look at the curves for increases in tuition costs over the years, you can almost always trace the starting point back to the federal government getting involved in student loans. Further, there are so many jobs where your salary wouldn’t even be enough to cover the student loan debt you’d need to take out in order to get those jobs. Now, how we can look at that and arrive at the conclusion that more government involvement/oversight over taxes to ensure that college is “free” is the way to go, is beyond me. “But we can just decrease the military budget!” Yeah, I’m sure that will happen.
Endowment funds. They own investments. It’s amazing how much real estate around Boston is owned by colleges and universities. A lot of Kendall Square is owned by BU for example. I assume Harvard and MIT own most of Cambridge. That helps infouence politicians of course.
 
Endowment funds. They own investments. It’s amazing how much real estate around Boston is owned by colleges and universities. A lot of Kendall Square is owned by BU for example. I assume Harvard and MIT own most of Cambridge. That helps infouence politicians of course.
Bunch of blame to go around. The bottom line is that higher education institutions and the federal government are two of the most wasteful “big businesses” on the planet.

Let’s start with something I think all of us can agree on and then work from there - college tuition costs are way too god damn high. I’m guessing the vast majority of people on both sides of the aisle will agree with that. Now, where do we go from here? I’d love to see the federal government out of the student loan game, for starters.
 
Bunch of blame to go around. The bottom line is that higher education institutions and the federal government are two of the most wasteful “big businesses” on the planet.

Let’s start with something I think all of us can agree on and then work from there - college tuition costs are way too god damn high. I’m guessing the vast majority of people on both sides of the aisle will agree with that. Now, where do we go from here? I’d love to see the federal government out of the student loan game, for starters.
The interest rates on most student loans are also far too high, which contributes greatly to the problem since the kids who are making payments are seeing little of that money going toward paying those down. Capping those at a reasonable level would be a good area to start. That way, they'd at least be able to see their payments get them paid down sooner so they can be done with them instead of having them continue for what feels like an eternity for most kids who generally take a while before they start working and earning wages where they're not quite as crippling. They'd also probably have fewer people default on them.
 
Everyone should be required to serve in the military or a civilian corps for a year or two. Then you can earn the right to vote. Too many nitwits with no vested skin in the game involved with making policy. Put some time in will you fecks?!


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The interest rates on most student loans are also far too high, which contributes greatly to the problem since the kids who are making payments are seeing little of that money going toward paying those down. Capping those at a reasonable level would be a good area to start. That way, they'd at least be able to see their payments get them paid down sooner so they can be done with them instead of having them continue for what feels like an eternity for most kids who generally take a while before they start working and earning wages where they're not quite as crippling. They'd also probably have fewer people default on them.
Not only that, but they follow you for the rest of your life, too. A loan from the private sector doesn’t do that. And the private sector wouldn’t give out loans if kids defaulted on them which would then impact the revenue the institutions make. Why would higher learning institutions lower their prices if the cash flow is basically guaranteed by the federal government? They have no incentive to do that. The current student loan structure can see your wages or SSI get garnished if you don’t pay on them. In all, it’s a complicated situation but shifting the burden to the taxpayers creates more problems than it solves. Getting the feds out of student loans would be a good starting point.
 
Makes you wonder where all the money goes. Must be improvements to the facilities or just more bureaucracy (like public school/high schools).

But, the real problem with college costs is it is double wage growth (which largely matches regular inflation of 3.5%). So while the cost of college might double in say 10 years, wage growth will only go up by 50%. hence it defnitely does get much worse and quickly.

I think some colleges/universities have figured this out as they haven't raised costs in several years. Also, the cost doesn't reflect the occupation. It's fine to go to an expensive school for a STEM job, but try one for traditionally low paying jobs (social services, ...) and you'd be screwed.
The problem with the cost of college is that the government keeps throwing more money at trying to solve the problem, but the more money they spend, the more the colleges compensate by raising prices.

Every state should have a free state school for residents (larger states would have more than just 1) - and then not one single dime of public money goes to help students who attend private schools.
 
17 states offer free community college right now, though rules and restrictions vary. Most often, good academic performance at a community college ensures full transfer of credits upon admission to a larger state school, if desired. This will usually cut in half the tuition obligation. Many of the same states have pre-pay options as well, so if you paid into it in 2008 dollars, for example, you get 2008 tuition rates in 2022 as you transfer from that free community college.

There are some reasonable options that don't require big, unweildy, and super-expensive government programs. Incentivize all states to mimic the programs that seem to work best.

 
Everyone should be required to serve in the military or a civilian corps for a year or two. Then you can earn the right to vote. Too many nitwits with no vested skin in the game involved with making policy. Put some time in will you fecks?!
I know people who have been conscripted. They say it is in essence extended baby sitting. They fired a weapon once in two years of service. The rest of the time was spent polishing the equipment (even though it was rusted through in some spots), doing guard duty, paper pushing, etc. Almost no military value, yet huge cost in housing, feeding and managing the conscripts. Lots of discipline problems given some conscripts are pretty much unmanageable, and the rest soon realize they are wasting two of the best years of their life for nothing. Another talked about how his father went through conscription and decided his sons would never do that, so he actively started creating a paper trail of their "asthma problems" from a young age using cooperative doctors. The system can and will be gamed.
 
I know people who have been conscripted. They say it is in essence extended baby sitting. They fired a weapon once in two years of service. The rest of the time was spent polishing the equipment (even though it was rusted through in some spots), doing guard duty, paper pushing, etc. Almost no military value, yet huge cost in housing, feeding and managing the conscripts. Lots of discipline problems given some conscripts are pretty much unmanageable, and the rest soon realize they are wasting two of the best years of their life for nothing. Another talked about how his father went through conscription and decided his sons would never do that, so he actively started creating a paper trail of their "asthma problems" from a young age using cooperative doctors. The system can and will be gamed.
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Always kind of amazes me that people who complain about the exorbitant costs for a college education, and the crippling student loan debt that most choose to take out to go, somehow think that allowing the government to regulate it through taxes (without transparency) is the answer.

Who pays for the free college? What happens when the market gets saturated with degrees? What’s your plan for the trades shortfall which will surely happen? Will I be reimbursed the thousands of dollars I had to pay out of pocket to put myself through school? Will others be reimbursed what they’ve paid into their student loans and have the rest of them canceled?

Free college isn’t free. The burden just shifts to the taxpayers. Now, if you want to talk about lowering the costs of going to college for these kids, I’m all ears. In no world should a class cost over $1,000 at a public university nor should a text book cost $300.

Total lifecycle cost of F-22 Raptor: $678 million. The F-22 hasn't flown one single combat sortie.

Average cost of going to public university is around $25,000 a year- so 100k for four years.

Just the cancellation of ONE F-22 = full four year education for 6,780 people at a public university.

You ask, what happens if the market gets saturated.. my simple answer is, if the republicunts stop ********ing our attempt to transition to renewables, there will be PLENTY of high level market opportunities. And not everyone will want to purse a top entry position, but they'll be better off navigating through life.
 
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