Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Deus Irae, May 16, 2019.
PED suspension brings Patrick Peterson’s Pro Bowl streak to an end
Somewhat related, there was some talk about how being popped impacts players postseason availability. I think MLB bans players from playing in the postseason if they get popped.
I know some pundits brought it up after Jules won SB MVP honors.
A separate reply with an additional thought.
Under the the current CBA, the NFL's threshold for epitestosterone in urine testing is 200 ng/ml. Basically if you have more than that, you are positive, less than that, you are negative. In fact, I think the NFL has the highest levels allowed in any professional sport (someone can fact check me there)
That is much higher than it naturally occurs in the body and is probably why so few guys actually get caught. The NFL, by nature of where they set the positive line at, is basically saying "you have to really, really, really cheat for us to consider you a cheater"*
*I am using the term cheat and cheater because that is the label applied to them by the general public.
EDIT TO ADD - a little more food for thought, the NFL sets the THC limit at 15 ng/ml which is way, way less than the DOT and Military use (50 ng/ml) and one tenth the limit of the WADA uses (150 ng/ml).
Tells me all I really need to know about their priorities
EDIT2 - Source on NFL PED rules:
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/2018 Policy on Performance-Enhancing Substances.pdf
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Quick! Somebody tweet to Patrick Peterson how he disrespected the game.
What's more disrespectful to the game: taking peds and actually getting caught, or getting suspended for something without proof?
Is he a Manning?
Brady will obviously take the high road but itd be AMAZING if he dropped a ‘disrespect ‘ line or 2 his way
A Cardinals fan who gets it
Patrick Peterson suspended for PED’s - Suspended 6 games
So he knew what he was taking and tried to cover it up.
Making it Patriots-centric doesn't change my opinion.
Sure ethics trumps money. But there is a gulf of difference between "Ill bump two Aderall and pull an all nighter so I can code out this new CRM" and say "hmmm, Ill undercut my co-worker by messing their work up so I look better".
I'll do whatever I need to do (within the confines of my actions not impacting someone else's rights) to support my family. I don't think I'm all the unique in that position.
And while this may be splitting hairs, I am not judging all players as guilty. I'm simply doing the following calculus:
1. Players are bigger than ever; genetics and modern nutrition only get you so far.
2. Players recover better than ever; yes modern medicine helps but that alone doesn't overcome human physiology
3. The NFL and NFLPA have some of the "player friendliest" drug testing thresholds in sports for PEDs
4. The nature of the sport requires bigger, stronger, faster more aggressive players to play what we all agree is an extremely violent sport. There would be way fewer fans, with way less money pouring into the NFL (and team and player) coffers if the game was played by flabby 36 year old dads like me schlepping around the field. Smaller, less fast, less powerful, less aggressive players are a detriment to the NFL no matter what they say about "PEDs and the integrity of the game".
5. The CBA laid out rules for testing are beyond player friendly; given drug metabolism rates, testing days, advance notification and the "player window" to show up for the test, these guys could take something on Saturday night, play a game on Sunday, take something post game for recovery, get the notification to appear for a test on Monday, take the test on Tuesday (24 hours to appear) and pass the tests easily. There isn't a sports governing body on the planet that has that "open" a drug testing policy.
All of those things (and more) form my personal opinion that it is naive to think anything more than a small fraction of athletes aren't doing something because their economic livelihoods depend on it (especially for the bottom 20 players on any given roster). I mean, if cyclists and Olympic athletes, who stand to make mere peanuts compared to what an MLB/NFL/NBA player pulls down, would do whatever it takes to win .....why would expect someone who has more on the line to be less inclined? Especially when we know there are people who already do meaning that the "average" is already enhanced.
An article, that while dated, lays out the finer details of my position much better than I can.
NFL drug testing policy called too mild
EDIT TO ADD - I forgot to address your last point. My assuming most players take something isn't saying they have no ethics.
1. I attach no ethical confines to "victimless crimes". Whatever "illegal substance" someone wants to put in their body is not a moral discussion to me.
2. Especially when the system in place to prevent cheating is as lax as it is in the NFL, allowing for "cheating" to basically be limited to those "dumb enough to do it right before a test".
If were talking about NFL players and say Track Drug Testing regulations, then it would be more of an ethical thing; say Ben Johnson doping versus a clean field who all played by the rules. When the rules are setup specifically to allow "some cheating, cuz the fans love the results, but not too much cheating" then the whole ethical argument is gone from the equation in my opinion. You're simply doing business how business is done.
Pats fans are already all over this one...
Sorry for the glitches. My computer is acting up. My purpose for submitting "Patriots" into the discussion was to see if your sentiment changed. It didn't and therefore you'r not a homer. Athletes have gotten bigger and faster. The current worst NFL team might beat the world champion of 30 years ago because of size and quickness. It's not drug related. Carl Lewis lost an Olympic dash to Ben Johnson. Lewis knew Johnson was taking performance drugs before Johnson was disqualified. How is that not victimless? "The whole ethical argument is gone". Being ethical is not about a system, money or winning. Ethics will never surrender is my foundation.
What a ****er
Brady should ****ing shred him to pieces on social media, but unfortunately he's too honorable of a man to do that and will take the high road
You're fine. Gotta love technology.
I would describe myself as many things. A homer is not one I would use.
I simply can't attribute all of the gains to "30 years of evolution and nutrition" sorry. If we were comparing people today to say the late 19th century, perhaps.
I mentioned Ben Johnson specifically because that race was under track testing for everyone. If one person cheats and no one else does, then the system is correctly outing the "cheater". There is a victim there. If the pool of people are enhancing, then the victim is whom?
But if we're being honest, Carl Lewis got popped a few months before the Seoul Olympics in '88 and shouldn't have even been in Seoul....because he "cheated", but I digress.
If enhancing my coding ability to finish a project is unethical, so be it. None sleep lost.
A believe either Peterson or a buddy of his said he was taking a drug for a diabetic condition which was apparently either on the ban list or tested the same as a banned drug.
TB12 since witch hunt
3x SB Champ
4x AFC Champ
2x SB MVP
1x NFL MVP
2x NFL Top 100 #1
PP since witch hunt
Zero team success
Cheated with PEDs (4 games)
Cheated with masking agent (2 games)
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