OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

Idk, those boys had Mahomes running for his life. We've seen what happens when you can't pressure a QB. Freaking back-up Foles picked us apart in the SB. Embarrassing.

Go check the numbers when vea is in the middle. That change everything for the bucs. It also helps a guy like Barrett.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Idk, those boys had Mahomes running for his life. We've seen what happens when you can't pressure a QB. Freaking back-up Foles picked us apart in the SB. Embarrassing.

Agree. But great defensive players cause QB pressure...the more problems for the offense, the more pressure results. Pass rushers are the guys who often tackle the quarterback in the end but aren’t always the major cause.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

Trey Flowers is worth like $8M though. Pass rushers are a scam.

I feel the same way about barrett. If i am the bucs i would let him walk. Get someone cheap in free agency and draft someone.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This list makes me think the NFL might be a money laundering organization.

These guys are paid QB money and I don’t know if one of them moves the W/L needle. Maybe just Mack. They don’t even correlate much with a team’s overall defensive points allowed.

Imagine if a team had a backup QB on the payroll for $20M? Well Dee Ford and Trey Flowers have a similar roster effect...level of play can be replaced for about $5M

Patriots won so many offseasons by avoiding this like the plague...other teams can fck themselves over with this crap. I’d take Vita Vea, Stephon Gilmore, and a bunch of other guys who get paid less, create sacks, but don’t get sacks.

 

[Guts]

This list makes me think the NFL might be a money laundering organization.

These guys are paid QB money and I don’t know if one of them moves the W/L needle. Maybe just Mack. They don’t even correlate much with a team’s overall defensive points allowed.

Imagine if a team had a backup QB on the payroll for $20M? Well Dee Ford and Trey Flowers have a similar roster effect...level of play can be replaced for about $5M

Patriots won so many offseasons by avoiding this like the plague...other teams can fck themselves over with this crap. I’d take Vita Vea, Stephon Gilmore,

Vita Vea is so criminally underrated

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He'll only be back on a franchise tag. No way they pay both him and Evans elite WR1 money long term which is 15-20 million per year.

For me, I prefer they let him go as other players can make up all of his production.

AB can be had for maybe 5 million.

Amendola is a free agent, plays a very similar game, and at 36 could play for 2 or 3 million.

Taylor Johnson showed flashes and could take the 2nd year leap.

And I prefer they keep their TEs together.
OJ Howard showed the potential to be a younger Gronk. But he can't seem to stay on the field.
Thus, you keep Brate and lower his salary to 4-5 million.
Then you have Gronk, who stayed behind to block a lot this past year. With the improvement in the offensive chemistry, I think they'll be able to run him out to catch more.

It is Tyler Johnson and he sucks. You must have missed the pass that bounced off his shoulder pad in the Super Bowl. After that Brady didn't pass to him.

Tampa can't keep everyone. Everyone is going to take a team discount right after the Super Bowl but in negotiations a month later guys want to get paid. You are right Tampa has a hole if Godwin leaves which I agree he will. AB fills the hole but he might get a few offers too. Amendola is toast.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Idk, those boys had Mahomes running for his life. We've seen what happens when you can't pressure a QB. Freaking back-up Foles picked us apart in the SB. Embarrassing.

Look at the lineup though for SB52.

$17M man Trey Flowers and career sack artist James Harrison; sure James was pretty washed, but overall that duo was your typical two edge rushers who can get sacks.

The problem? They do jack **** without help, especially against a great o-line. Malcom Brown and Lawrence Guy...two underwhelming guys who don’t draw double teams. Elandon Roberts instead of Dont’a Hightower is such a massive loss for that defense, and not just because he gets sacks but because he disrupts everything. Without a lockdown secondary causing coverage pressure, Flowers and Harrison might as well have just sat down the whole game.

 

[Zarozzor]

Look at the lineup though for SB52.

$17M man Trey Flowers and career sack artist James Harrison; sure James was pretty washed, but overall that duo was your typical two edge rushers who can get sacks.

The problem? They do jack **** without help, especially against a great o-line. Malcom Brown and Lawrence Guy...two underwhelming guys who don’t draw double teams. Elandon Roberts instead of Dont’a Hightower is such a massive loss for that defense, and not just because he gets sacks but because he disrupts everything. Without a lockdown secondary causing coverage pressure, Flowers and Harrison might as well have just sat down the whole game.

That ****ing game...

And then you have Bademosi and Richards coming in for "reinforcements."

 

[Zarozzor]

@Ice_Ice_Brady

 

[Kargetina]

How is Brees in front of Rodgers? I'm not a big fan of Rodgers but he's a 3-time MVP, All-Decade 2010's second team behind Brady and has one SB/SB MVP just like Brees. Brees should be in the tier below.

Brady

Manning/Montana

The rest of the Top 10

 

[venecol]

Agree. But great defensive players cause QB pressure...the more problems for the offense, the more pressure results. Pass rushers are the guys who often tackle the quarterback in the end but aren’t always the major cause.

But Shaq also did a good job setting the edge against the run. He had more QB pressures than JPP, the only Bucs Pro Bowler. He's a good player and only 28. Is he worth what the market bears? Could you replace his production with a cheaper player? Maybe or maybe not. Yes, Vita Vea is a key player in that defense.

Shaq had 3 sacks and 4 hits against Rodgers combining with JPP for 5 sacks and 12 total pressures. Against that pressure, Rodgers completed just 50% of his passes and posted a 60.4 passer rating. He generated a QB pressure on almost 20% of his rushes on Mahomes.

Stats show a 30 passer rating drop when a QB is pressured. With the NFL rules benefitting QBs and the offense, it's more important than ever for defenses to generate QB pressures.

 

[venecol]

It is Tyler Johnson and he sucks. You must have missed the pass that bounced off his shoulder pad in the Super Bowl. After that Brady didn't pass to him.

Tampa can't keep everyone. Everyone is going to take a team discount right after the Super Bowl but in negotiations a month later guys want to get paid. You are right Tampa has a hole if Godwin leaves which I agree he will. AB fills the hole but he might get a few offers too. Amendola is toast.

There's a lot of talk the Bucs will tag Godwin. I can't imagine how efficient the Bucs offense will be in 2021 after a year together.

 

[venecol]

How is Brees in front of Rodgers? I'm not a big fan of Rodgers but he's a 3-time MVP, All-Decade 2010's second team behind Brady and has one SB/SB MVP just like Brees. Brees should be in the tier below.

Brady

Manning/Montana

The rest of the Top 10

Brees has the gaudy passing stats. Rodgers hasn't played long enough yet but he'll probably pass him. Saw in NFL 2020 Mic'd up video how Rodgers ran to Adams after throwing his 400 TD and told him that was his 400 td, lol. He kept talking about it in the sidelines. Guy is all about his stats.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

There's a lot of talk the Bucs will tag Godwin. I can't imagine how efficient the Bucs offense will be in 2021 after a year together.

If the Bucs tag Godwin, it is not a good precedent walking into all of the other contract negotiations. If the Bucs want to negotiate team friendly deals, tagging a player against his will is not the way to start.

Everything is easy to talk about during the Super Bowl parade. Team friendly negotiations become much more complicated as the days pass by. It is a far more awkward decision than just tagging Godwin.

 

[sb1]

Feels like a guess from Schefter more than anything but Payton and Brady would have been a fun pairing to watch.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

@Ice_Ice_Brady

We need to some type of breeding restriction for people who make these QB rankings.

 

[venecol]

If the Bucs tag Godwin, it is not a good precedent walking into all of the other contract negotiations. If the Bucs want to negotiate team friendly deals, tagging a player against his will is not the way to start.

Everything is easy to talk about during the Super Bowl parade. Team friendly negotiations become much more complicated as the days pass by. It is a far more awkward decision than just tagging Godwin.

Not if they reach a deal with Shaq, who was tagged this season. Bucs don't use the tag a lot anyway.

 

[1960Pats]

You can add Pats Dynasty to that list

 

[amfootball]

If the Bucs tag Godwin, it is not a good precedent walking into all of the other contract negotiations. If the Bucs want to negotiate team friendly deals, tagging a player against his will is not the way to start.

Everything is easy to talk about during the Super Bowl parade. Team friendly negotiations become much more complicated as the days pass by. It is a far more awkward decision than just tagging Godwin.

It depends if the tag is just to buy more time to neg. a longer contract

 

[amfootball]

@Ice_Ice_Brady

I would put Elway with Montana and Manning and move Brees to the third tier.