OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[One-If-By-Sea]

Belichick always has his economist hat on. He runs his team like an economist.

But when it comes to Brady and apparently Gronk, BB seems to make it personal. Just this week he went out of his way to say Kittles is better than anyone he has coached or coached against. Or downplaying Brady’s toughness in 2018 AFCCG when he said “look, Tom did a great job and he's a tough guy. We all know that, all right? But we're not talking about open-heart surgery here."

BB said "as good as", not "better than". Why do people think they have to lie to make a point?

 

[1960Pats]

Tom Brady’s impact on the Bucs goes beyond stats. It’s starting to impact the teams overall attention to details.

Historically, the Bucs are a heavily penalized team. Against the Packers, Brady & the Bucs looked very much like the old Patriots teams. How so? They were not penalized once all game.

No turnovers, no penalties. You are going to win nearly every single time you manage that.

From 2016-2019, Brady attempted 2,400 passes and threw just 30 INT’s to 116 TD’s. Meanwhile in 2020, the Patriots have attempted just 155 passes and managed just 3 TD’s to 7 INT’s. This is where the value of Brady really becomes clear

I heard from some Pats fans that Cam is a better fit than Brady for this Pats team. I guess they were wrong.

 

[Tony2046]

I heard from some Pats fans that Cam is a better fit than Brady for this Pats team. I guess they were wrong.

I'd rather have Brady but it wasn't happening. The "divorce" was inevitable. Cap space was an issue but so was the relationship. I wish both the best.

I'm glad Cam is here. Imo, he's the best post Brady option especially with our receivers. I do think he'll be able to get the Pats into the playoffs and I hope they can keep him for a few more years.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'd rather have Brady but it wasn't happening. The "divorce" was inevitable. Cap space was an issue but so was the relationship. I wish both the best.

I'm glad Cam is here. Imo, he's the best post Brady option especially with our receivers. I do think he'll be able to get the Pats into the playoffs and I hope they can keep him for a few more years.

I'm with you until the last sentence. No AFCE championship, no playoffs.
Despite the Bills poor performance vs KC, they have put us in a position of no more stupid losses like vs Denver if we're to take the AFCE. All games from now on require us to put out a best effort. This may not be controllable by BB if we lose more weekly game prep practices to the ro.

 

[Tony2046]

I'm with you until the last sentence. No AFCE championship, no playoffs.
Despite the Bills poor performance vs KC, they have put us in a position of no more stupid losses like vs Denver if we're to take the AFCE. All games from now on require us to put out a best effort. This may not be controllable by BB if we lose more weekly game prep practices to the ro.

It's a strange season. Anything can happen. But yeah it's a thin margin for error.

 

[PatsBoy12]

 

[lancerman]

I heard from some Pats fans that Cam is a better fit than Brady for this Pats team. I guess they were wrong.

Cam is a much better fit for a team that doesn’t have talent at WR’s and needs to leverage the run and threat of a run. Cam has added to that dynamic.

Brady is a better QB. But he wanted no part of this team. He knew what was coming this year. He’s also at an age where he was getting blamed for not making chicken salad out out of giant hippo ****. Everything from “he’s declining” to “he’s not developing the receivers”. Screw that. Now he gets to spend his last few years slinging the ball around and proving it wasn’t all just Belichick. It’s very likely we aren’t competitive again until after he retires

 

[PatsBoy12]

 

[1960Pats]

I'd rather have Brady but it wasn't happening. The "divorce" was inevitable. Cap space was an issue but so was the relationship. I wish both the best.

I'm glad Cam is here. Imo, he's the best post Brady option especially with our receivers. I do think he'll be able to get the Pats into the playoffs and I hope they can keep him for a few more years.

I'm no cap guru, but for years here I've seen posters talk about how difficult it is to pay top dollar for players and keep a team together, yet plenty of teams have done it. Right now the Pats have cap space (I think) and should have been able to put aside any differences they may have had and kept Brady here.

As for Cam, it's still early but it doesn't look like he's the answer. And if Stidham isn't then shame on Bill for leaving the team without a viable option at QB.

 

[RIpats88]

I'm no cap guru, but for years here I've seen posters talk about how difficult it is to pay top dollar for players and keep a team together, yet plenty of teams have done it. Right now the Pats have cap space (I think) and should have been able to put aside any differences they may have had and kept Brady here.

As for Cam, it's still early but it doesn't look like he's the answer. And if Stidham isn't then shame on Bill for leaving the team without a viable option at QB.

I dont think brady wouldve stayed. He wanted weapons and our receiving corps is horrible. This year with brady would be a repeat of last year, maybe even worse. its why I said cam is a better fit for THIS team. with his running ability

its sad that Antonio Brown might have been the guy who ultimately broke up brady/bill...because if he doesnt get into trouble and the pats dont release him against bradys objections maybe they go far in the playoffs or win the superbowl and brady is still here.

but alas

 

[RIpats88]

Cam is a much better fit for a team that doesn’t have talent at WR’s and needs to leverage the run and threat of a run. Cam has added to that dynamic.

Brady is a better QB. But he wanted no part of this team. He knew what was coming this year. He’s also at an age where he was getting blamed for not making chicken salad out out of giant hippo ****. Everything from “he’s declining” to “he’s not developing the receivers”. Screw that. Now he gets to spend his last few years slinging the ball around and proving it wasn’t all just Belichick. It’s very likely we aren’t competitive again until after he retires

I agree with everything you are saying. But we actually are/can be competitive this year.

 

[sb1]

I dont think brady wouldve stayed. He wanted weapons and our receiving corps is horrible. This year with brady would be a repeat of last year, maybe even worse.

Absolutely without a doubt. It was time. Nothing more, nothing less.

Many of the die hard Bradyites don’t believe it though. They insist Belichick pushed Brady out. Lol. And to think they really demand we believe the nonsense that Brady leaving singlehandedly turned this team from a SB lock to a non playoff team. Lol. No actually more like rotflmfao.

 

[bigballas]

If I'm the Bucs OC at this point, I ditch Ronald Jones, stick LeSean McCoy back there or go to 4 WRs-1TE, or 3 WRS-2 TE.

I just throw all the time. 9 times for every 1 running play.

Evans - ABrown - Godwin - Miller - Gronk - Brate - Watson - Tyler Johnson

4 of these need to be on the field at all times, and most of the time 5 of these.

Let McCoy pick up blockers or eke out as a safety valve when Brady needs him.

analytics has Ronald Jones as a top 2 pure rusher....it would be foolish to ditch him even though it seems fun to roll out those WR

 

[JayNM]

Bucs keep getting more and more interesting

They trully have an arsenal at their disposal

I really want to see how they do later in the season. The wear and tear of a whole season adding up, how does his 43 year old body respond?

There's a lot of reasons why we started to go sour later last year... and Ive seen these GoaT QBs that swear that they can play 100% completely lose arm strenght come november, december.

Im keeping my prediciton... This year, Brady has all the momentum to show BB that he couldve won more if we had emphasize the offense. If they lose this season, its going to be reaaal hard for Tommy Boy to keep this quality for anything but the short term

 

[Tony2046]

I'm no cap guru, but for years here I've seen posters talk about how difficult it is to pay top dollar for players and keep a team together, yet plenty of teams have done it. Right now the Pats have cap space (I think) and should have been able to put aside any differences they may have had and kept Brady here.

As for Cam, it's still early but it doesn't look like he's the answer. And if Stidham isn't then shame on Bill for leaving the team without a viable option at QB.

I'm not a cap guru either but from my understanding there wasn't enough cap space to keep Tom and other players without pushing more of the cap hit down the road. The cap space we see now is mostly a result of Covid opt outs and some other flukey stuff that happened after Brady left. As it is the Pats are in great shape come next season.

Anyway Brady and BB were finished with each other.

Cam may or may not be the answer but damn, could you imagine watching a Dalton led Pats? That would have been painful.

 

[sb1]

If Bucs get to the SB it will be because of their defense. The way they shut down Rodgers was impressive.

Maybe it’s just me but I kimda would rather have a defense very strong up front like that than ours being strong in the back. Seems like it’s more suitable for way the league is today.

 

[203Pat]

I'm no cap guru, but for years here I've seen posters talk about how difficult it is to pay top dollar for players and keep a team together, yet plenty of teams have done it. Right now the Pats have cap space (I think) and should have been able to put aside any differences they may have had and kept Brady here.

As for Cam, it's still early but it doesn't look like he's the answer. And if Stidham isn't then shame on Bill for leaving the team without a viable option at QB.

The most mind boggling part to me is it seemed like Bill was perfectly content to go into the season with Stidham and Hoyer for a while.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm not a cap guru either but from my understanding there wasn't enough cap space to keep Tom and other players without pushing more of the cap hit down the road. The cap space we see now is mostly a result of Covid opt outs and some other flukey stuff that happened after Brady left. As it is the Pats are in great shape come next season.

Anyway Brady and BB were finished with each other.

Cam may or may not be the answer but damn, could you imagine watching a Dalton led Pats? That would have been painful.

Once Brady left I felt like the Pats were feeling confident with Stidham. When they acquired Cam I figured that either Stidham was injured or needed a little more time.

Let's face it, Brady is irreplaceable so nobody would have filled that void.

 

[JayNM]

Belichick is still the best coach in football by a wide margin. Even the best gave flaws. In Belichick’s case, it was pride.

Pride dismantled what had been a wonderful QB-HC relationship between 2001-2014. It was evident in 2018 that Brady needed some proven weapons of the NE dominance was to continue. None were signed. Year after year, Brady would average 30 ppg with average personnel. But at 43, Brady made a business decision and went to a place where he would have incredible weapons at his disposal. The results are clear: an undisciplined TB team have turned into SB favorites while the Patriots are under .500 for just the 2nd time since Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB

Such a shame. Brady would have stayed if Belichick brought in some firepower. Pride is a mother trucker

Im liking your posts Falcons2020

I have to say, Ive been thinking about this for years... At some point, it does feel like BB has been doing emotional-driven decisions rather than maximizing... stuff (and Im taking a hint from your economist post later, bc I 100% agree)

One example that i do not see people ever talking, but i think its pretty telling (there are many others, more relevant eve than this one,however this is just one that is pretty evident and often forgotten)

Trading Gronk to Tampa

I get it. He wasnt playing for us, so whatever we could get is a profit.

That's not how you maximize your assets, tho. That is noy how you deal with your scarce resources (some definitions of economy is the study of resources, in very vague terms)

BB has changed since he became HC. For the better, in most cases. But he is losing edge in the trade market in a baffling way, for these last few years

 

[RIpats88]

Im liking your posts Falcons2020

I have to say, Ive been thinking about this for years... At some point, it does feel like BB has been doing emotional-driven decisions rather than maximizing... stuff (and Im taking a hint from your economist post later, bc I 100% agree)

One example that i do not see people ever talking, but i think its pretty telling (there are many others, more relevant eve than this one,however this is just one that is pretty evident and often forgotten)

Trading Gronk to Tampa

I get it. He wasnt playing for us, so whatever we could get is a profit.

That's not how you maximize your assets, tho. That is noy how you deal with your scarce resources (some definitions of economy is the study of resources, in very vague terms)

BB has changed since he became HC. For the better, in most cases. But he is losing edge in the trade market in a baffling way, for these last few years

I doubt he had a choice with the Gronk trade to tampa. Gronk wasnt going to play anywhere but Tampa and he was retired.