OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[PatsWSB47]

I said Brady should get some votes. Roger's will win it but it shouldn't be unanamous. Mahomes and Allen will probably get some votes too.

I know, but Tommy12 translates you saying some votes to everyone is saying he's the MVP

 

[sb1]

Yeah, nice try. Brady's numbers in the past vs playoff teams would have been a lot better. When was the last time you saw Brady get slapped 38-3?

Brady's team got thumped pretty good by other teams over the years and they still went on to win the SB or at least the conference. Chiefs come to mind in 2014 and 2017. Titans and Jags in 2018. Bills in 2003.

 

[sb1]

put Brady on this Pats team as it is this season and the pats finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs

put cam on the bucs roster, and maybe they lose two wins......neither is worth 4-5 wins in todays NFL

Cam is a better fit in NE than he would be in Tampa and that's saying something. Put Cam on the Bucs roster and they'd lose a lot more than 2 wins. Their strengths on offense would be erased by Cam's weaknesses throwing the ball.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Yeah, nice try. Brady's numbers in the past vs playoff teams would have been a lot better. When was the last time you saw Brady get slapped 38-3?

Yep, that defines him. That's his body of work. Another Johnny on the spot negative stat you have stored in your back pocket waiting to pounce on him with.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady's team got thumped pretty good by other teams over the years and they still went on to win the SB or at least the conference. Chiefs come to mind in 2014 and 2017. Titans and Jags in 2018. Bills in 2003.

You would have to go back to 2003 home opener vs Buffalo to find an equivalent outcome involving Brady on the losing end. None of those other games come even close to Brady failing to lead a single TD drive against the Saints. And it would have been a shutout if it weren't for Arians coaching like a wuss and kicking FG at the end.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yeah, nice try. Brady's numbers in the past vs playoff teams would have been a lot better. When was the last time you saw Brady get slapped 38-3?

If the Bucs had beaten the Bears, the Bears wouldn't be a playoff team, so the Bucs wouldn't get credit for beating a playoff team.

If the Bucs had lost to the Vikings, then the Vikings might have been a playoff team at 8-8, so again a win over that team gets no credit but a loss would have made them 0-1.

If the Bucs had lost to the Giants, the Giants would be a playoff team too.

The Bucs beat the Raiders, who had the same record as the "playoff team" Bears.

If the Bucs had lost to the Chargers, the Chargers would have been 8-8, same record as the Bears. Hence, one team, the Chargers, suck while the other team, the Bears, are "a playoff team!!!" The only difference in their records: the Bucs beat one and lost to the other. That is, if the Bucs had instead beaten the Bears and lost to the Chargers, the Chargers would be 8-8 with the same record as the "playoff!!!" Bears while the Bears would be a 7-9 team that "sucks" and the Bucs win wouldn't mean anything. See how that paradox works?

Simplifying your fallacious reasoning...take out the Bucs outcome itself, and look at the following team records:
Bears, 8-7
Raiders, 8-7
Vikings, 7-8
Chargers, 7-8

Against these four ~.500 teams, the Bucs went 3-1 with a plus-10 ppg differential. Of course, the only game that shows up in your argument is the one-point loss to the Bears, which is then reduced to "0-1 against playoff teams!!!" That's the problem with using a small sample size like this...it's mostly just randomness and bias and is reduced to absurdity. It's not much different from people complaining the Patriots schedule was so easy for so many years because you could mark down their opponents going 3-13 against the Patriots. The reasoning is like trying to pull your chair out while sitting down on it.

The Bucs played three elite teams this year, teams that are outside of the muddled middle of the NFL: the Chiefs, Saints, and Packers. They manhandled the Packers, lost to the Chiefs by 3, and got their asses kicked twice by the Saints (second game was a lot more of a problem than the first one.) They're a team on the rise that got whipped by some teams that have been elite for years and have MVP caliber QBs.

Not unexpected when virtually every analyst said they'd have growing pains this year.

 

[PatsWSB47]

You would have to go back to 2003 home opener vs Buffalo to find an equivalent outcome involving Brady on the losing end. None of those other games come even close to Brady failing to lead a single TD drive against the Saints. And it would have been a shutout if it weren't for Arians coaching like a wuss and kicking FG at the end.

Do you ever have any good Brady stats to share?, Jesus

 

[denverpatsfan]

I think Tom and his O-line will struggle against this front 4. That being said I'm not sure a 1-legged Alex Smith can generate enough offense to win. I think this game goes under. The Bucs win but fail to cover.

 

[PatsWSB47]

We're arguing with a guy that felt it necessary to let us know how many incompletions Brady had in his clutch drive with 3 3rd and 10s against the Chiefs in the playoff game. Phoney schtick at every turn.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think Tom and his O-line will struggle against this front 4. That being said I'm not sure a 1-legged Alex Smith can generate enough offense to win. I think this game goes under. The Bucs win but fail to cover.

This is a perfect game for them. If they can't beat Washington, they were never going anywhere. They'll get to face a league leading pass rush and a passing defense that's allowed under 200 ypg. They get to again face their biggest weakness, a nasty defensive front, and see if they can finally come up with a much quicker developing passing game.

 

[carmelo15]

Brady's also 1-5 against playoff teams without Bill...

With the talent Brady has, anything short of a super bowl this year is a failure. Pressure's on...

four people liked one of the worst posts in here let that sink in

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If the Bucs had beaten the Bears, the Bears wouldn't be a playoff team, so the Bucs wouldn't get credit for beating a playoff team.

If the Bucs had lost to the Vikings, then the Vikings might have been a playoff team at 8-8, so again a win over that team gets no credit but a loss would have made them 0-1.

If the Bucs had lost to the Giants, the Giants would be a playoff team too.

The Bucs beat the Raiders, who had the same record as the "playoff team" Bears.

If the Bucs had lost to the Chargers, the Chargers would have been 8-8, same record as the Bears. Hence, one team, the Chargers, suck while the other team, the Bears, are "a playoff team!!!" The only difference in their records: the Bucs beat one and lost to the other. That is, if the Bucs had instead beaten the Bears and lost to the Chargers, the Chargers would be 8-8 with the same record as the "playoff!!!" Bears while the Bears would be a 7-9 team that "sucks" and the Bucs win wouldn't mean anything. See how that paradox works?

Simplifying your fallacious reasoning...take out the Bucs outcome itself, and look at the following team records:
Bears, 8-7
Raiders, 8-7
Vikings, 7-8
Chargers, 7-8

Against these four ~.500 teams, the Bucs went 3-1 with a plus-10 ppg differential. Of course, the only game that shows up in your argument is the one-point loss to the Bears, which is then reduced to "0-1 against playoff teams!!!" That's the problem with using a small sample size like this...it's mostly just randomness and bias and is reduced to absurdity. It's not much different from people complaining the Patriots schedule was so easy for so many years because you could mark down their opponents going 3-13 against the Patriots. The reasoning is like trying to pull your chair out while sitting down on it.

The Bucs played three elite teams this year, teams that are outside of the muddled middle of the NFL: the Chiefs, Saints, and Packers. They manhandled the Packers, lost to the Chiefs by 3, and got their asses kicked twice by the Saints (second game was a lot more of a problem than the first one.) They're a team on the rise that got whipped by some teams that have been elite for years and have MVP caliber QBs.

Not unexpected when virtually every analyst said they'd have growing pains this year.

What sample size would you like me to use? I have a 16 game sample size because Brady has only been out of Bill's system for 1 year.

 

[Doctor DDS]

2020 NFL Advanced Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Brady led the league in intended air yards per attempt.

 

[203Pat]

put Brady on this Pats team as it is this season and the pats finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs

put cam on the bucs roster, and maybe they lose two wins......neither is worth 4-5 wins in todays NFL

No chance Cam gets the Bucs 9 wins. Winston is a better QB than Cam by a mile and he bumbled his way to 7 wins.

 

[RicoG]

Brady's team got thumped pretty good by other teams over the years and they still went on to win the SB or at least the conference. Chiefs come to mind in 2014 and 2017. Titans and Jags in 2018. Bills in 2003.

A big royal thumping of a Brady team during the regular season, seems to force them to self correct and make them laser focused for the playoffs.

It would be interesting to see the 10 worst games of his career by scores, and see if in those seasons, the team went to the SB.

 

[203Pat]

four people liked one of the worst posts in here let that sink in

I think 4 people laughed at him.

 

[Kontradiction]

You would have to go back to 2003 home opener vs Buffalo to find an equivalent outcome involving Brady on the losing end. None of those other games come even close to Brady failing to lead a single TD drive against the Saints. And it would have been a shutout if it weren't for Arians coaching like a wuss and kicking FG at the end.

LMAO, they got shut out by the Dolphins, of all teams, in ‘06.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I think 4 people laughed at him.

shouldn't you be spending time crying about the Patriots?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LMAO, they got shut out by the Dolphins, of all teams, in ‘06.

Ok, so I was off by 3 years...

 

[upstater1]

LMAO, they got shut out by the Dolphins, of all teams, in ‘06.

That was the infamous "That's football" game, when the Dolphins stole all the Patriots line calls from a tape, and applied them in a game, and made the Patriots look stupid. When the media found out about it, they asked the NFL's Steve Alic if that was legal. And he replied, "THat's football!" The infamous Spygate memo came out right before the start of the 2006 season, not the 2007 season, as some believed. But after the Phins used the tape to win, and after the Jets were caught videotaping the Patriots, the NFL said it's OK. In the Jets case, the NFL said the Jets received permission to videotape. The Patriots denied it and said no one gave them permission. The NFL said, "But the Jets say they did get it!!"

No wonder Belichick construed the memo to be nothing.