OT: Ninkovich on Mac Jones

[Huckleberry1]

Yeah, I'll cosign this. I think Mac would have turned out different if JMcD had stayed here.

To Nink's point, he doesn't exude the confidence of a Franchise Leader.

I don’t. It is possible to increase arm strength and velocity if you put in the work, Jones never did the work. Once defensive coordinators saw what he could and could not do they just packed the middle of the field and forced him to throw to the areas of the field he didn’t have the ability to throw to. Did he have a great situation? No. Could he have done the work to create a situation where he wasn’t the biggest liability, yes, but he didn’t do so. From my perspective he doesn’t have the mental and emotional strength, or the physical ability to be a winning quarterback in the NFL. Could he disprove that? Yes. But he’s got a really long way to go to achieve that.

I’m glad they drafted Drake Maye, I think he’s got both the physical and mental ability to become a franchise QB for the Patriots. But the franchise is going to have to do the work to put a winning team around him, and he’s going to have to do the physical and mental work to reach that level.

 

[Wozzy]

main problem is still his mechanics. Kinda the same problem Tebow had and look what happened to him.

The coaching he got here failed to fix it.

I don’t get it. You keep arguing Mac is good and BB was the reason he lost on the endless “BB sucks” threads. Now you’re telling us Mac isn’t good?

 

[Huckleberry1]

He's lacking "Comfort in the Pocket". That ain't mechanics....that's Tonyeasonitis.

Otherwise known as Fetal Position Syndrome. When they tore down Foxborough Stadium the only thing that remained was the chalk outline of this on the ground, and like the shadows of Hiroshima, and the frozen statues of Arthur and Diana Blank on the field at NRG Stadium in Houston, it will remain there forever more.

 

[sb1]

I don’t get it. You keep arguing Mac is good and BB was the reason he lost on the endless “BB sucks” threads. Now you’re telling us Mac isn’t good?

So either Bill drafted a high floor low ceiling QB prospect with possibly correctable flaws in his game and coached him into the mess he became….or he used pick #15 on someone who was never good and didn’t belong in the league at all. Which is it?

Neither choice makes your hoodied hero look very good. I guess I shouldn’t expect more out of a .426 coach post Brady…

 

[Zuma]

Mac was a good QB year 1. He wasn’t perfect but you don’t go to the pro bowl if you’re bad. He didn’t improve his strength or grow emotionally and mentally in the off-seasons. Teams just had to focus on taking parts of the field away that he could throw to. BB did him no favors with his coaching hires….disaster.

 

[Wozzy]

So either Bill drafted a high floor low ceiling QB prospect with possibly correctable flaws in his game and coached him into the mess he became….or he used pick #15 on someone who was never good and didn’t belong in the league at all. Which is it?

Neither choice makes your hoodied hero look very good. I guess I shouldn’t expect more out of a .426 coach post Brady…

Jonathan Kraft gave Elliot Wolf power to fix drafting, he wanted Mac and had to convince BB it was a good idea even though Bill wanted to go another direction. We've seen the result of collaboration the last three years. But you'll willfully ignore all evidence of this because you're a biased agenda driven poster.

This is why it's not surprising you're suggesting Mac is good out one side of your mouth, while arguing he's bad out the other... the important thing is that BB was a meanie who ousted Brady, even though Tom's wife wanted to move to Florida and was threatening divorce if things didn't change.

 

[sb1]

Jonathan Kraft gave Elliot Wolf power to fix drafting, he wanted Mac and had to convince BB it was a good idea even though Bill wanted to go another direction.

No serious report backed that up and even if he did want someone else he drafted Jones anyway so he is 100% responsible for the outcome. Nobody else.

 

[borg]

Jonathan Kraft gave Elliot Wolf power to fix drafting, he wanted Mac and had to convince BB it was a good idea even though Bill wanted to go another direction. We've seen the result of collaboration the last three years. But you'll willfully ignore all evidence of this because you're a biased agenda driven poster.

This is why it's not surprising you're suggesting Mac is good out one side of your mouth, while arguing he's bad out the other... the important thing is that BB was a meanie who ousted Brady, even though Tom's wife wanted to move to Florida and was threatening divorce if things didn't change.

When the 15th pick was on the clock in 2021 and Bill went around the room making sure everyone was "comfortable" with picking a QB with no identifiable physical traits necessary to elevate an NFL offense, at that moment, if you looked closely, Bill took on the persona of a hostile witness with Stockholm Syndrome.

A reluctant participant
Helpless
Impotent...........................................................................except for the $25 mill guaranteed/year for the next 4 years

Suck on that shadow-GM Jon Jon.
And say hello to your new OC......Fat Matt

 

[sb1]

I love the take that BB the GM of the Patriots had to get permission from everyone else in the room to draft Mac Jones right before the pick was made. As if anyone was going to tell him noooo don't do it!

Anything that Bill does that works well = genius
Anything that Bill does that doesn't work out = nope not his fault!
#TeamBillLogic

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I don’t. It is possible to increase arm strength and velocity if you put in the work, Jones never did the work. Once defensive coordinators saw what he could and could not do they just packed the middle of the field and forced him to throw to the areas of the field he didn’t have the ability to throw to. Did he have a great situation? No. Could he have done the work to create a situation where he wasn’t the biggest liability, yes, but he didn’t do so. From my perspective he doesn’t have the mental and emotional strength, or the physical ability to be a winning quarterback in the NFL. Could he disprove that? Yes. But he’s got a really long way to go to achieve that.

I’m glad they drafted Drake Maye, I think he’s got both the physical and mental ability to become a franchise QB for the Patriots. But the franchise is going to have to do the work to put a winning team around him, and he’s going to have to do the physical and mental work to reach that level.

You are right on about teams learning to take advantage of his physical limitations as well as his lack of mental and emotional toughness. There was a good amount of press about his work with Tom House, etc.. Even though Mac was unable to strengthen his arm enough to make defenses pay on the outside, it was not from lack of effort. At the end of the day Mac's work ethic seemed to be the only thing the other players respected.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You are right on about teams learning to take advantage of his physical limitations as well as his lack of mental and emotional toughness. There was a good amount of press about his work with Tom House, etc.. Even though Mac was unable to strengthen his arm enough to make defenses pay on the outside, it was not from lack of effort. At the end of the day Mac's work ethic seemed to be the only thing the other players respected.

I just keep coming back to his quote when he returned for his second season. He was asked what he had done in the offseason to get better, and his response was that he “ ate less ice cream,” which given how he played looked like all he had done. And I honestly didn’t see any change at all both in him physically, or in his arm strength, which was clearly his biggest issue.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I just keep coming back to his quote when he returned for his second season. He was asked what he had done in the offseason to get better, and his response was that he “ ate less ice cream,” which given how he played looked like all he had done. And I honestly didn’t see any change at all both in him physically, or in his arm strength, which was clearly his biggest issue.

Mac's response was just another example of him being a snarky idiot. The bottom line is that whatever he worked on did not make it onto the field. Here's the old thread about Tom House if you are interested.

Tom House Discussing Mac Jones' Progress & Potential

Tom House joined Phil Perry's podcast to discuss Mac Jones. House and Jones worked together this offseason, and House speaks extremely highly of Jones. I seriously feel really good after listening to this. (Timestamped the video for just prior to the 10-minute mark, which is when the meat of...

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[Wozzy]

When the 15th pick was on the clock in 2021 and Bill went around the room making sure everyone was "comfortable" with picking a QB with no identifiable physical traits necessary to elevate an NFL offense, at that moment, if you looked closely, Bill took on the persona of a hostile witness with Stockholm Syndrome.

A reluctant participant
Helpless
Impotent...........................................................................except for the $25 mill guaranteed/year for the next 4 years

Suck on that shadow-GM Jon Jon.
And say hello to your new OC......Fat Matt

It's clear Jonathan wanted him gone, recent comments by Bill's best friend Mike Lombardi all but confirm it.

All things end, I won't cry and whine like the Brady boys did when Tom's wife forced him to leave to Florida.

It is what it is, all things end.

 

[zydecochris]

Mac Jones always struck me as the typical spoiled rich kid. His parents have their own law firm and he went to private schools and ended up as a 4 star recruit that started at the nation's premier college football program. Never really faced any adversity until his second season here and he didn't handle it well. Bill put him in a terrible position but Mac didn't do anything to help himself. He sulked and pouted and made things worse. On top of all that there was the ankle twisting and high leg kicks and all that that really solidified his image for me.

I was a fan of Mac at Alabama, and excited when the Patriots drafted him. However, I can’t argue that he had much adversity during his last National Championship year.

Although I ended up “getting it wrong” about Mac and his fit with the Pats, I always thought that coaching was more important with him than most QBs, he was more of a “follow the game plan perfectly” QB than someone who could improvise and make something out of nothing. At Alabama, he had fabulous coaching (and talent), he completely understood and followed excellent game plans, and it resulted in a National Championship. His first year at NE, I thought he looked pretty good under Josh’s good coaching.

Everyone has already beat to death the horrible offensive coaching his second year (something I would have never expected from BB). With horrible game plans and coaching he played horribly, complete lost his confidence, and that was all she wrote.

Hopefully Drake will lead us back to respectability soon

 

[sb1]

I was a fan of Mac at Alabama, and excited when the Patriots drafted him. However, I can’t argue that he had much adversity during his last National Championship year.

Although I ended up “getting it wrong” about Mac and his fit with the Pats, I always thought that coaching was more important with him than most QBs, he was more of a “follow the game plan perfectly” QB than someone who could improvise and make something out of nothing. At Alabama, he had fabulous coaching (and talent), he completely understood and followed excellent game plans, and it resulted in a National Championship. His first year at NE, I thought he looked pretty good under Josh’s good coaching.

Everyone has already beat to death the horrible offensive coaching his second year (something I would have never expected from BB). With horrible game plans and coaching he played horribly, complete lost his confidence, and that was all she wrote.

Hopefully Drake will lead us back to respectability soon

Exactly. That’s what he needed and he didn’t get it here after Josh left.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Exactly. That’s what he needed and he didn’t get it here after Josh left.

He didn’t get a stronger arm and character here? I wonder why?

 

[Pape]

Exactly. That’s what he needed and he didn’t get it here after Josh left.

he a good fit with sean mcvay?