Cool Link OT: Every Teams Mt Rushmore, Including the Pats ... New & Improved with a Poll ??

[Iceman]

BB, Brady Hog and Gronk for me, if only players take out BB and put in Law. Agree about Haynes being every bit as good as Law but SB rings have to count here and normally wouldnt include any non super bowl winning Patriots but Hog in in his own special category.

 

[p8ryts]

I'm only voting on who I saw play:

BB for coaching and putting the staff/team together.
Brady for becoming Brady.
Gronk was the most important draft pick in the 2010's. Had he not been drafted, I don't think they win another Super Bowl and Tom leaves the team by 2016.
Ty Law. I love McGinest, but Law gets the edge.

However, I'd argue Richard Seymour should be considered. Like Gronk, had Bill drafted David Terrell and not Seymour, they don't win the Super Bowl, and may not have even made the playoffs in 2001. The defense ran through him. Aside from Brady, he was the most important draft pick in that ignited the 1st dynasty.

I'm embarrassed to say that I forgot about Tippett. Having thought more about it, the fourth should be between Tippett, Morgan and Law. I still can't choose.

 

[stinkypete]

There are four spaces on Mt. Rushmore. Four GOATs at their positions played for the Patriots.

This should be a no-brainer.

Brady, Belichick, Hannah, Gronk.

 

[Boomer B]

For the Mt. Rushmore thing I don’t really consider coaches so Belichick isn’t on mine.

Brady Hannah Gronk Tippett

 

[jimnance]

I'm only voting on who I saw play:

BB for coaching and putting the staff/team together.
Brady for becoming Brady.
Gronk was the most important draft pick in the 2010's. Had he not been drafted, I don't think they win another Super Bowl and Tom leaves the team by 2016.
Ty Law. I love McGinest, but Law gets the edge.

However, I'd argue Richard Seymour should be considered. Like Gronk, had Bill drafted David Terrell and not Seymour, they don't win the Super Bowl, and may not have even made the playoffs in 2001. The defense ran through him. Aside from Brady, he was the most important draft pick in that ignited the 1st dynasty.

Seymour was the best Pats defensive player of the early dynasty.
Not Law. Not Willie. Not Bruschi.
The players will tell you the same thing.

 

[jimnance]

For myself I was a kid when Haynes played.. however from what I know absolutely a great player in own right.. however I lean to law because you know your a Bad MF.. when the rules get changed due to you!

Haynes was better than Law. Many people have Haynes as the best NFL cb all time. He's always ranked no lower than #3. I love Law, but he's not in the same class as Haynes.
But for the Pats MtRushmore it needs to be players who played at least 75% of their career in New England. Haynes played exactly half his career here so I'd give the nod to Law. Same reason I'd rule out both Seymour and Rodney.

 

[Patriot Missile]

As much as I love Belichick I just don’t put coaches in the Rushmore category mixed with players.

Brady
Gronkowski
Hannah
Tippett

Rushmore of Coaches?

Belichick
Lombardi
Knoll
Bryant

 

[Real fan 02]

Haynes was better than Law. Many people have Haynes as the best NFL cb all time. He's always ranked no lower than #3. I love Law, but he's not in the same class as Haynes.
But for the Pats MtRushmore it needs to be players who played at least 75% of their career in New England. Haynes played exactly half his career here so I'd give the nod to Law. Same reason I'd rule out both Seymour and Rodney.

Oh I'm sure Haynes was...I mean I didn't watch Haynes play so I can't definitely say Haynes was far superior... if the Patriots had won superbowls during Haynes era.. I think your argument would hold more weight. Ty law is a hall of famer instrumental in all 3 early dynasty championships.. rules were changed because of him.. also Haynes played in the jack Tatum era where you could do anything to WRs.. again I know Haynes was phenomenal.. I just can't say he was overwhelmingly better than law. 2 different eras.

 

[Real fan 02]

Seymour was the best Pats defensive player of the early dynasty.
Not Law. Not Willie. Not Bruschi.
The players will tell you the same thing.

So I'm confused ty law is a HOF Haynes I don't believe is? But Haynes was better? Seymour absolutely a beast.. and also a HOF... by your logic you sure tippet wasn't better?..

 

[vicspats]

Same could be Saif for earnie adams... and Alex Guerrero... TB12 said himself if not for Guerrero he would have retired in his early 30s..

The people behind the scenes at times are as, or even more important than the ones getting all the accolades. Hard to quantify. I’m gonna have to agree with Rainmaker thou… 4 solid picks.

 

[Real fan 02]

The people behind the scenes at times are as, or even more important than the ones getting all the accolades. Hard to quantify. I’m gonna have to agree with Rainmaker thou… 4 solid picks.

Absolutely agree.. as I look back and the layers are peeled back we see how instrument adams was to Bill and same for Guerrero... my 4 picks were TB12, Bill, ty law, gronk

 

[vicspats]

So I'm confused ty law is a HOF Haynes I don't believe is? But Haynes was better? Seymour absolutely a beast.. and also a HOF... by your logic you sure tippet wasn't better?..

Good point … Tippet was a beast on incredibly crappy teams…

 

[vicspats]

Absolutely agree.. as I look back and the layers are peeled back we see how instrument adams was to Bill and same for Guerrero... my 4 picks were TB12, Bill, ty law, gronk

Those three ints in the afc championship game definitely come into play.

 

[Real fan 02]

Good point … Tippet was a beast on incredibly crappy teams…

I like @jimnance ...lol but I don't think he's right on that assessment.. he also mentioned Hayes arguably was considered the best CB all time.. he's ranked #49.. and no HOF.. also Willie and bruschi were already clear definitive patriots HOF worthy players before Seymour got there. Willie doesn't make the goal line stop at Indy... we would have gone to Indy instead of them coming to 8 degrees, snowy Foxboro that year in 2003...

Haynes played in the jack Tatum era you could do whatever you wanted downfield.

 

[Real fan 02]

Those three ints in the afc championship game definitely come into play.

Absolutely agree. Can someone put up a mike Haynes championship moment? I really want to be educated on him.. I mean I'm 46.. but if he was so much better than law I want to learn more about his game.

 

[vicspats]

Absolutely agree.. as I look back and the layers are peeled back we see how instrument adams was to Bill and same for Guerrero... my 4 picks were TB12, Bill, ty law, gronk

This is tough. Hannah was a road grader for a guy that wasn’t huge. 6-2 probly played at 250. He destroyed guys out there.

 

[Real fan 02]

This is tough. Hannah was a road grader for a guy that wasn’t huge. 6-2 probly played at 250. He destroyed guys out there.

Yes Hannah I did see play old Sullivan stadium.. frozen on those bench lol

 

[vicspats]

I like @jimnance ...lol but I don't think he's right on that assessment.. he also mentioned Hayes arguably was considered the best CB all time.. he's ranked #49.. and no HOF.. also Willie and bruschi were already clear definitive patriots HOF worthy players before Seymour got there. Willie doesn't make the goal line stop at Indy... we would have gone to Indy instead of them coming to 8 degrees, snowy Foxboro that year in 2003...

Haynes played in the jack Tatum era you could do whatever you wanted downfield.

I agree on the non Hayes pick. A smooth player but different rules.

 

[vicspats]

Absolutely agree. Can someone put up a mike Haynes championship moment? I really want to be educated on him.. I mean I'm 46.. but if he was so much better than law I want to learn more about his game.

Maybe it’s because he would be considered a shut down corner for that era. He was definitely a smoother runner, but he didn’t go up against the offenses Ty went up against. They changed rules because of Ty. Then he had to adapt after , still had a stellar career. Just wish they both finished their careers here … I still have tapes somewhere of Ty at Michigan.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Seymour was the best Pats defensive player of the early dynasty.
Not Law. Not Willie. Not Bruschi.
The players will tell you the same thing.

I agree. As I mentioned before, Seymour was the catalyst of the defense and their best player. I remember every broadcast his name was mentioned as he freed up others.

Ty Law was my favorite CB and had the most swag to Deion Sanders. He made the crowd and opposition know when he'd force an incompletion, break up a pass, get an INT or even a TD.

I love Willie, but he wasn't the pass rusher he was earlier in his career. He saved his big plays for when they needed it most in the playoffs or a big game during the season. He reminded me of Robert Horry.

Bruschi was a really good situational player during the Parcells and Carroll years, but I got the feeling they were trying to phase him out with the drafting of Katezmoyer. In fact, I don't think Bruschi would've been on the team by 2001 had Katzenmoyer and Johnson not sustained injuries. This is what happened to Vrabel. He got phased out because Joey Porter quickly surpassed him and they already had Gildon on the other side.