OT: Brady's got nothing on Henry

[desi-patsfan]

ahhh religious talks....once again it has caused a prefectly good forum to degrade into a pissing contest. So how about Asante coming huh? Lets see Brandon at FS in the last pre-season game.

 

[Deus Irae]

A single woman 35 years old who wants to have children opts to adopt. Do you believve that should be allowed or do you think that that too is akin to
being born out of wedlock.
As for your denial of having certain beliefs, your moniker "deus irae" is a contradiction of that. The direct translation from the latin is 'wrath of G-d'.
Unless you are referring to the science fiction novel of the 70's, it is obvious that your religious and political views are very different from many people. That's the beauty of this country is that we can hold different views.
I think I'm on solid footing in saying that while no one is encouraging children born out of wedlock, we're not about to brand someone with a scarlet letter. It could have happened to anyone who engaged in premarital sex (vast majority of the population) even if they used birth control (which is not 100% effective). That having been said, it is a far cry from having one child out of wedlock (approximately 30% of all births nowadays IIRC) and fathering 9 children. ONly you have equated the two and NONE OF US know the entire story with Tom Brady and Bridget. The fact that he flew cross country to be present at the birth of his child and left the Carolina game to fly back across the country speaks well of TB.
I will stick to the view of "judge not, lest ye be judged".

Ok, I'm not going to go down a religious path with you. However, I'll note two things:


1: Deus Irae is the title of a book by Phillip K. ****

2: "Judge not..." is probably the most misquoted and misunderstood phrase in the bible.

 

[letekro]

Patsox, of course I can. There is a clear difference in degree, which I've noted time and again. Henry might as well be a cat spraying about the neighborhood for all the restraint and wisdom he's shown. I'm confident that Brady won't be as stupid and narcissistic as Henry has been.

There's not a difference in kind, however, and Brady is the one who held himself out as a role model. This was not role model behavior.

There is a difference in kind you pseudo-intellectual twit.

The difference in degree is EVIDENCE (a word you probably don't like) of a differrence in kind.

Brady's situation was accidental. The circumstances indicate that he relied on the couple's long-standing practice of female birth control and her representations to that effect.

The circumstances around Mr. Henry's NINE children (the main circumstance being that it has happened 9 times by his 28th birthday) indicate that he intentionally impregnated these women, or at the very least his conduct was so grossly negligent that it was tantamount to an intentional act.

Accidental vs. Intentional/Grossly negligent - therein lies the difference in kind.

If this happens again to Brady, we may look at him as the cause. Until then, we will view it as what it seems to be - an unfortunate accident that he has stepped up and tried to make the best of.

 

[Deus Irae]

There is a difference in kind you pseudo-intellectual twit.

The difference in degree is EVIDENCE (a word you probably don't like) of a differrence in kind.

Brady's situation was accidental. The circumstances indicate that he relied on the couple's long-standing practice of female birth control and her representations to that effect.

The circumstances around Mr. Henry's NINE children (the main circumstance being that it has happened 9 times by his 28th birthday) indicate that he intentionally impregnated these women, or at the very least his conduct was so grossly negligent that it was tantamount to an intentional act.

Accidental vs. Intentional/Grossly negligent - therein lies the difference in kind.

If this happens again to Brady, we may look at him as the cause. Until then, we will view it as what it seems to be - an unfortunate accident that he has stepped up and tried to make the best of.

No, sorry.... you're wrong again. I'm not evaluating how the pregnancy came about. Neither you nor I knows the answer to that in the case of either man.

Degree, not kind.

 

[letekro]

No, sorry.... you're wrong again. I'm not evaluating how the pregnancy came about. Neither you nor I knows the answer to that in the case of either man.

Degree, not kind.

There's very little, if anything, we "know," sir.

What us fallible humans do, is, look at the evidence before us, make inferences based on that evidence, and then come up with an educated guess based on the evidence and inferences. This may come as somewhat of a surprise to someone who can read a Book and "know" things, but I hope you'll try to wrap your brain around it.

 

[Deus Irae]

There's very little, if anything, we "know," sir.

What us fallible humans do, is, look at the evidence before us, make inferences based on that evidence, and then come up with an educated guess based on the evidence and inferences. This may come as somewhat of a surprise to someone who can read a Book and "know" things, but I hope you'll try to wrap your brain around it.

Ok, let me make educated guesses. Henry bought a bunch of condoms and they failed. Brady and BM didn't even bother with protection because they were both being negligent and cared more about pleasure than safety. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

 

[letekro]

Ok, let me make educated guesses. Henry bought a bunch of condoms and they failed. Brady and BM didn't even bother with protection because they were both being negligent and cared more about pleasure than safety. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

The evidence? Brady and BM were together for more than 2 years before this happened. This tends to suggest that the couple had been using birth control HABITUALLY. The fact that the baby was conceived around the time their relationship was falling apart makes it even less likely that Brady would've intentionally gambled with the probabilities of procreation.

Is it a coincidence that this "accident" happened just as he was getting ready to leave her? We don't know for sure, and it's irrelevant to the point being made....whatever, I know that this argument is just a conduit to get your lunatic right-wing ravings in. I give up... You win.

 

[Deus Irae]

The evidence? Brady and BM were together for more than 2 years before this happened. This tends to suggest that the couple had been using birth control HABITUALLY. The fact that the baby was conceived around the time their relationship was falling apart makes it even less likely that Brady would've intentionally gambled with the probabilities of procreation.

Is it a coincidence that this "accident" happened just as he was getting ready to leave her? We don't know for sure, and it's irrelevant to the point being made....whatever, I know that this argument is just a conduit to get your lunatic right-wing ravings in. I give up... You win.

In other words, you have no evidence at all.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Ok, I'm not going to go down a religious path with you. However, I'll note two things:


I'm not going down the religious path BUT you haven't answered my question as to whether you object to a single adult (male or female) say a 35 year old who is financially capable being able to adopt a child........and do you consider that to be the same as being raised as a child born out of wedlock?

 

[letekro]

How do I get those bricks to fall on top of me? This seems like an appropriate time and place for that graphic.

 

[SECTION 340]

Ok, let me make arse backward guesses. Henry bought a bunch of condoms and they failed. Brady and BM didn't even bother with protection because they were both being negligent and cared more about pleasure than safety. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Evidence no. Common sense yes.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok, I'm not going to go down a religious path with you. However, I'll note two things:


I'm not going down the religious path BUT you haven't answered my question as to whether you object to a single adult (male or female) say a 35 year old who is financially capable being able to adopt a child........and do you consider that to be the same as being raised as a child born out of wedlock?

Because, as I said, I'd need to know all the circumstances.

 

[Deus Irae]

Evidence no. Common sense yes.

Anyone who knows anything about birth control knows that it only takes one time of negligent usage, non-usage or forgetfulness.

 

[bradmahn]

How do I get those bricks to fall on top of me? This seems like an appropriate time and place for that graphic.

If there were a way to dump a ton of bricks on a thread, I'd be all for its use right now.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Because, as I said, I'd need to know all the circumstances.

What circumstances? A 35 year old single female who is professionally successful desires a child and wants to adopt to give a child a loving home, albeit without a husband. Do you object and what more info do you want to know???
By refusing to answer ( I need more info) you are essentially telling me and the others that you have a problem with it......

 

[Deus Irae]

What circumstances? A 35 year old single female who is professionally successful desires a child and wants to adopt to give a child a loving home, albeit without a husband. Do you object and what more info do you want to know???
By refusing to answer ( I need more info) you are essentially telling me and the others that you have a problem with it......

By refusing to answer, I am essentially telling you that I won't answer without knowing all the circumstances. And, for the record, that is the general approach of pretty much every public adoption in the country, no matter how many potential parents are involved.

 

[desi-patsfan]

Ask and ye shall receive.

:bricks: :bricks: :bricks: :bricks:

 

[mb6592]

Ok, genius, now I'm cowed....




Henry - Has children with women he's not married to and leaves

Bady - Had a child with a woman he's not married to and left

No, sorry, no difference there except in the numbers..


Deus Irae logic 101 - father hunts down and kills the rapist who killed his daughter & the rapist who raped & killed 9 woman....no differece in kind (murder) just degree - duh.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

By refusing to answer, I am essentially telling you that I won't answer without knowing all the circumstances. .

Yet you are judging Tom Brady without knowing all the circumstances........