OT: Brady caught in closed Tampa park

[PP2]

LOL!! Now you're desperately trying to move the goalposts and hope no one notices. The statement was made that more people over 90 have died from Covid-19 than people under 50. Your response was to ignorantly ridicule that statement while demonstrating a complete lack of rational, logical thinking.

You posting an article saying ~800 young people have died does nothing whatsoever to contradict that statement.
You talking about the ridiculously vague term "devastating impact on someone's life" does nothing to contradict that statement.
Your personal attack to me (when all I did was call out your phenomenal ignorance) does nothing to contradict that statement.

His original statment was: "Quarantine the at-risk population and get everyone else back to their lives. Otherwise we never reach herd immunity."

Which is total horseshit, as that article proves. Oh sure, maybe a few more elderly folks die from this from any other groups, but if you're going to tell me that quarantining only the old folks or the "at-risk" is going to stop this thing, you're beyond deluded. The idea of "herd immunity" is also ludicrous when there's so little we know about this virus.

Devastating impact on someone's life isn't a vague statement.. quite a handful of people who haven't died from this virus have long term damages either to their vitals or lungs. Read up, boy!

 

[sieglo]

Devastating impact on someone's life isn't a vague statement.. quite a handful of people who haven't died from this virus have long term damages either to their vitals or lungs. Read up, boy!

Car accidents have devastating effects on people's lives, every day. Are you suggesting that as a society we should stop driving? 2500 teenagers (13-19) died in car crashes in 2018. Versus 800 YTD COVID deaths under the age of what, 50? And that excludes permanent, life atering injuries from traffic accidents. By your logic, we are monsters not to ban those vehicular death traps!

 

[PP2]

Car accidents have devastating effects on people's lives, every day. Are you suggesting that as a society we should stop driving? 2500 teenagers (13-19) died in car crashes in 2018. Versus 800 YTD COVID deaths under the age of what, 50? And that excludes permanent, life atering injuries from traffic accidents. By your logic, we are monsters not to ban those vehicular death traps!

2018.. that's an entire year.

800 YTD? In that time, barely a month and half, we've had a total of over 50,000 deaths from coronavirus, just in the US. And that number is very certainly underreported by a good margin.

Why am I lumping all those deaths together? Because it doesn't matter if you're young or old, if you're not social distancing or quarantining, you're facilitating, period.

 

[XLIX]

A great deal about what?

What part of "it gives us a valuable insight into which groups are most vulnerable and which groups aren't really all that vulnerable" did you not understand?

How would that knowledge make any difference in the way we're trying to contain this virus?

The only surefire way of stopping this virus, as research after research has shown is a lockdown, strict social distancing, and quarantining.

Nothing else works.

So what's your plan? Keep everyone home until we all get vaccinated? You do realize that even the best case scenario regarding a vaccine is 2021.

Or should we maybe take a good look at which populations are most vulnerable, which populations are far, far less vulnerable, and then devise a plan going forward taking those accounts into mind?

 

[XLIX]

His original statment was: "Quarantine the at-risk population and get everyone else back to their lives. Otherwise we never reach herd immunity."

Which is total horseshit, as that article proves.

The only horseshit is your pathetic attempt to run away from your own ignorance.

You are phenomenally ignorant to claim "the virus strikes indiscriminately, age-wise." It is far, far more lethal to senior than younger people. Furthermore, and among those who survive it, it is far, far more likely to do permanent damage to a senior than younger people.

Seriously, child... just admit you got that one wrong. You'd look far, far less foolish.

 

[XLIX]

2018.. that's an entire year.

800 YTD? In that time, barely a month and half, we've had a total of over 50,000 deaths from coronavirus, just in the US. And that number is very certainly underreported by a good margin.

Why am I lumping all those deaths together? Because it doesn't matter if you're young or old, if you're not social distancing or quarantining, you're facilitating, period.

I notice people like you are big on whining, short on solutions.

If we quarantine until this virus is eradicated, hundreds of thousands of people will die from the completely collapse of the national economy.

 

[Nunchucks]

Car accidents have devastating effects on people's lives, every day. Are you suggesting that as a society we should stop driving? 2500 teenagers (13-19) died in car crashes in 2018. Versus 800 YTD COVID deaths under the age of what, 50? And that excludes permanent, life atering injuries from traffic accidents. By your logic, we are monsters not to ban those vehicular death traps!

Your logic comparing deaths from covid19 to death by car accidents is terrible. Please take a moment to think about the two things and how they differ.

 

[Nunchucks]

I notice people like you are big on whining, short on solutions.

If we quarantine until this virus is eradicated, hundreds of thousands of people will die from the completely collapse of the national economy.

Ahh, here you are infecting people with your terrible logic. What happens when hundreds of thousands die because we reopen to early, overwhelm our health services? That's right, our economy tanks anyway.

 

[Kontradiction]

I notice people like you are big on whining, short on solutions.

If we quarantine until this virus is eradicated, hundreds of thousands of people will die from the completely collapse of the national economy.

Yeah, a lot of people seem to have trouble understanding that. I suspect its either because they're securely employed still or are comfortable anyway, like the poster you are responding to. The number of infected is not going to hit 0 any time soon. Meanwhile, people are struggling to put food on their table and a $1,200 stimulus check is not going to do the trick. You can't shut the world down until the number of infected hits 0. That's not a viable alternative and that is not a solution.

 

[Nunchucks]

Yeah, a lot of people seem to have trouble understanding that. I suspect its either because they're securely employed still or are comfortable anyway, like the poster you are responding to. The number of infected is not going to hit 0 any time soon. Meanwhile, people are struggling to put food on their table and a $1,200 stimulus check is not going to do the trick. You can't shut the world down until the number of infected hits 0. That's not a viable alternative and that is not a solution.

Expecting laymen to offer solutions to complex problems is unreasonable. A solution should be presented by an interdisciplinary team of policy makers, economists, health professionals, public policy experts, and infectious disease experts. Not joe schmoe from around the block.

 

[XLIX]

Ahh, here you are infecting people with your terrible logic. What happens when hundreds of thousands die because we reopen to early, overwhelm our health services? That's right, our economy tanks anyway.

I don't think we should blanket open everything and that's that. I think there should be what they are calling "rolling re-openings". It can be done responsibly and there's no reason to believe it would lead to "hundreds of thousands of covid deaths."

I'll ask you the same question (which no one ever seems to want to answer for some reason....): What's your solution? Quarantine until it's eradicated? It'll be a miracle if eradication happens before the end of 2021, and will probably take even longer. So what's the right play, genius? Everyone stay home for the next 20 months?

 

[Kontradiction]

Expecting laymen to offer solutions to complex problems is unreasonable. A solution should be presented by an interdisciplinary team of policy makers, economists, health professionals, public policy experts, and infectious disease experts. Not joe schmoe from around the block.

^^ And here is someone else who is comfortable, financially, and therefore is against the country reopening, even if slowly.

 

[Kontradiction]

On that note, why the hell did I get sucked back into this discussion with some of the ****tiest, most worthless posters on this forum who only seem to show up once pOlItIcS is discussed? I'm out.

 

[XLIX]

Expecting laymen to offer solutions to complex problems is unreasonable. A solution should be presented by an interdisciplinary team of policy makers, economists, health professionals, public policy experts, and infectious disease experts. Not joe schmoe from around the block.

ah, so I'll put you in the category of people who love to criticize everyone else but are just too chickenshit to actually have an opinion of your own.

I happen to fit into one of the groups yo mentioned above, so thank you for admitting I am far more qualified to discuss this issue than you are.

 

[Nunchucks]

I don't think we should blanket open everything and that's that. I think there should be what they are calling "rolling re-openings". It can be done responsibly and there's no reason to believe it would lead to "hundreds of thousands of covid deaths."

I'll ask you the same question (which no one ever seems to want to answer for some reason....): What's your solution? Quarantine until it's eradicated? It'll be a miracle if eradication happens before the end of 2021, and will probably take even longer. So what's the right play, genius? Everyone stay home for the next 20 months?

I don't have a solution, I'll wait for the people who do this type of stuff for their job. My expertise is not in this field. Sadly, I have little faith in the team put in place to do this by the federal government.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

If we quarantine until this virus is eradicated, hundreds of thousands of people will die from the completely collapse of the national economy.

But if we decided today, even a month later than we could have decided, that we will focus on intense widespread testing, thorough contact tracing, testing all of those contacts, quarantine of positives (plus tracing their contacts, starting the cycle anew), and quarantine of the highest risk groups

then we'd emerge from this in WEEKS, like... oh... South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Germany, Israel, New Zealand, etc.

It's been done. It's been tried. There is a way. It requires THOUGHT and COMPETENT LEADERSHIP.

So, in other words, in the USA... no way.

 

[Nunchucks]

ah, so I'll put you in the category of people who love to criticize everyone else but are just too chickenshit to actually have an opinion of your own.

My opinion is to listen to experts. Like a reasonable person. Whatever I suggest is based on incomplete information and does not include a review of all available options, my suggestion is worthless and possibly dangerous.

 

[XLIX]

I don't have a solution, I'll wait for the people who do this type of stuff for their job. My expertise is not in this field. Sadly, I have little faith in the team put in place to do this by the federal government.

For someone who doesn't have a solution, you sure are pretty critical of those who advocate working towards re-opening soon.

 

[Nunchucks]

For someone who doesn't have a solution, you sure are pretty critical of those who advocate working towards re-opening soon.

Because all of the experts, you know the economists, doctors, and scientists are all saying that we cannot open up soon. I am just saying what they are saying. Why do you think these people are wrong?

 

[XLIX]

Because all of the experts, you know the economists, doctors, and scientists are all saying that we cannot open up soon. I am just saying what they are saying. Why do you think these people are wrong?

Where did I say they were wrong? Those experts you revere so much gave a 3 phase plan for how we should reopen, and the criteria therein. It sure makes a lot of sense to me. So perhaps the better question is: Why do you think these people are wrong?