Player Signing OLB Harold Landry signing with Patriots

[p8ryts]

Well, I'll ***** about it, but it's just noise at that point.

It's New England. If you ain't *****ing, your dead.

 

[BadMoFo]

Official: Patriots Sign Linebacker Harold Landry III

 

[ViperGTS]

Official: Patriots Sign Linebacker Harold Landry III

Some people are ****ting all over the Pats moves including this one. I for one, am happy they got all of them. Landry I think is going to be really, really good on the edge.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Some people are ****ting all over the Pats moves including this one. I for one, am happy they got all of them. Landry I think is going to be really, really good on the edge.

I really don't understand how people can think this is a horrible signing. It's not insane money. He is productive. Hes good vs the run. Solid pro. Can get to the QB. I read that he has a ****ty pressure/hurry-to-sack conversion but that was about it.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

It's a start. I guess we are back where we were before Judon hit the road, which is fine, but hardly earthshaking. Not really complaining. I am convinced two-years will be the minimum time for the team reach...respectability. When the history is written, it'll be clear just how terrible Bill was as HC/GM over his last several years. I understand some are not ready to acknowledge this, and, since I remember the glory years too, I understand the reluctance, but, to quote a guy who once worked here, it is what it is.

I’ve accepted what Bill turned into at the end…I just can’t wrap by brain around HOW it happened.

This is a guy, who for DECADES reminded us that doing what’s best for the team, moving on from players who lived on past performance, and innovating was the way to go.

Only for him to apparently only choose players who were easy and pleasant to coach, surround himself with people who agreed with everything he said, and make comments eluding to how he should be given the benefit of the doubt at all tikes because…6 Superbowls.

I guess human nature is what it is, but it sure was odd to watch unfold.

The draft is where it really played out glaringly.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Some people are ****ting all over the Pats moves including this one. I for one, am happy they got all of them. Landry I think is going to be really, really good on the edge.

I'm guessing they're worried because he may a scheme rusher or as it was dubbed in this thread "ghost rusher".

With that said, he's proven to get sacks one way or another, it's a reasonable contact and it's a massive upgrade over Jennings who rightfully should be back on the sidelines.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I’ve accepted what Bill turned into at the end…I just can’t wrap by brain around HOW it happened.

This is a guy, who for DECADES reminded us that doing what’s best for the team, moving on from players who lived on past performance, and innovating was the way to go.

Only for him to apparently only choose players who were easy and pleasant to coach, surround himself with people who agreed with everything he said, and make comments eluding to how he should be given the benefit of the doubt at all tikes because…6 Superbowls.

I guess human nature is what it is, but it sure was odd to watch unfold.

The draft is where it really played out glaringly.

Draft
Poor personnel decisions (Meyers, Thuney)
Brady- never replaced his franchise QB and f-ed up a at-the-time competent Mac Jones
Fewer quality coaches to help him
Less OTAs so learning the O and D took longer
Belichick did not ride players as hard and became too much of a uncle

Not one thing but the slide was multi-faceted.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I really don't understand how people can think this is a horrible signing. It's not insane money. He is productive. Hes good vs the run. Solid pro. Can get to the QB. I read that he has a ****ty pressure/hurry-to-sack conversion but that was about it.

PFF graded him DEAD LAST in pass rush win rate last, despite the good sack total. Essentially, they concluded that his sack total was pretty much totally a product of coverage sacks, busted protections, and schemed pressures through stunts. By their evaluation, he can't actually get by a blocker in the pass rush anymore.

It was kind of an outlier for him to be that low and historically he's always been a really good stunt player, hence his success in Vrabel's scheme. The face value of the deal seems pretty high for him based on the metrics, even if it's not "insane". But we don't know the "real" value of it, so we can't really judge until then.

 

[RobertWeathers]

PFF graded him DEAD LAST in pass rush win rate last, despite the good sack total. Essentially, they concluded that his sack total was pretty much totally a product of coverage sacks, busted protections, and schemed pressures through stunts. By their evaluation, he can't actually get by a blocker in the pass rush anymore.

It was kind of an outlier for him to be that low and historically he's always been a really good stunt player, hence his success in Vrabel's scheme. The face value of the deal seems pretty high for him based on the metrics, even if it's not "insane". But we don't know the "real" value of it, so we can't really judge until then.

Great post. Thank you.

Scheme plays such a big part in a player's success.

We'll just have to see how he does here to see if the contract makes sense.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

Some people are ****ting all over the Pats moves including this one. I for one, am happy they got all of them. Landry I think is going to be really, really good on the edge.

Completely agree, he’s a big upgrade at edge for us. People like to cry about contract value, but with where the team is I’m happy anytime they add a player that makes the Pats better.

His tape wasn’t his best last season but if there’s any chance he returns to his form pre-acl tear then this contract will be a gem.

I’m biased though since I’m a BC fan who really enjoyed watching him play in college.

 

[PScottman]

Completely agree, he’s a big upgrade at edge for us.

It can't be overemphasized enough how critical having two players that can set an edge and are productive against the run. No more 17 straight runs as a strategy against the Patriots.

A good defense makes the other offense one dimensional.

A great defense makes the other offense make mistakes.

After last year, I'll take improvement to good and having a guy like Landry that has proven he can help eliminate consistent outside rushing attacks (not to mention edge setting against running QBs) I'm good with.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Landry averages 8.8 sacks per season and been to a Pro Bowl. Considering we were last place in pass rush last year, he will come in and become our top pass rusher right away.

I have been to the Pro Bowl

 

[Huckleberry1]

It can't be overemphasized enough how critical having two players that can set an edge and are productive against the run. No more 17 straight runs as a strategy against the Patriots.

A good defense makes the other offense one dimensional.

A great defense makes the other offense make mistakes.

After last year, I'll take improvement to good and having a guy like Landry that has proven he can help eliminate consistent outside rushing attacks (not to mention edge setting against running QBs) I'm good with.

Agree. And I think Vrabel and William’s will get the most out of Keion White as well.

 

[TommyD4207]

Some people are ****ting all over the Pats moves including this one. I for one, am happy they got all of them. Landry I think is going to be really, really good on the edge.

His floor is 'solid'. I'll take solid, considering the absolute dogshit play we saw on the edge last year.

Good pro, does what he's supposed to do, and occasionally makes a big play. He's not going to get 30 sacks. I don't care about that.

Edit: Landry's not a pass-rush constant-pressure the QB guy. He's the cleanup guy. He's like the leveled-up complete version of Tully Banta-Cain.

 

[dliverey44]

I'm guessing they're worried because he may a scheme rusher or as it was dubbed in this thread "ghost rusher".

With that said, he's proven to get sacks one way or another, it's a reasonable contact and it's a massive upgrade over Jennings who rightfully should be back on the sidelines.

The "Ghost Rush" is actually a technique he uses. Several people are saying its a huge upgrade over Jennings but in Jennings defense he has not had the opportunity to play in a defense that he could just go after the QB.

 

[Thelonious]

I’ve accepted what Bill turned into at the end…I just can’t wrap by brain around HOW it happened.

This is a guy, who for DECADES reminded us that doing what’s best for the team, moving on from players who lived on past performance, and innovating was the way to go.

Only for him to apparently only choose players who were easy and pleasant to coach, surround himself with people who agreed with everything he said, and make comments eluding to how he should be given the benefit of the doubt at all tikes because…6 Superbowls.

I guess human nature is what it is, but it sure was odd to watch unfold.

The draft is where it really played out glaringly.

It's a fascinating thing, really, such a downfall. Maybe his megalomania worked for him for a while, for so long as it was harnessed to his work as HC/GM. Then it took on a life of its own, sort of as bureaucracies over time develop a rabid institutional self-interest which eventually crowds out any actual work it might once have accomplished vis-a-vis its intended purpose. To me, the real tipping point into pathology involved the petty vendettas against players who declined to kiss Bill and his pals' rings, and the ridiculous hires of Patricia and Judge, which were so wildly egregious and irrational that they can only be read as pathological. . Add to that that for whatever reason his skills in evaluating college players, particularly on offense, eroded severely over time, and you have the basic picture. To my eye, in the time since his departure, he has become a pathetic figure, nearly a laughingstock. I take no pleasure at all in making these observations, and I am grateful for his productive years here, but he has clearly lost it in a pretty profound and embarrassing way. I know this is not a popular take, but I can't honestly read it any other way. I see him as a tragic figure: his downfall is easily analyzed in terms of Aristotle's schema for tragic heroes, or perhaps as reaffirmation that "Pride cometh before a fall."

I hope he gets himself squared away. He deserves a better ending to his story than this.

 

[Ross12]

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Some coaches can scheme up pressure , hopefully vrabel is what he needs.

I remember last year we had even less pass rushing talent and were gonna rely on coaching. LMAO

 

[RobertWeathers]

The "Ghost Rush" is actually a technique he uses. Several people are saying its a huge upgrade over Jennings but in Jennings defense he has not had the opportunity to play in a defense that he could just go after the QB.

Jennings doesn't have that ability. Wasn't a matter of a scheme issue.

 

[signbabybrady]

It's a fascinating thing, really, such a downfall. Maybe his megalomania worked for him for a while, for so long as it was harnessed to his work as HC/GM. Then it took on a life of its own, sort of as bureaucracies over time develop a rabid institutional self-interest which eventually crowds out any actual work it might once have accomplished vis-a-vis its intended purpose. To me, the real tipping point into pathology involved the petty vendettas against players who declined to kiss Bill and his pals' rings, and the ridiculous hires of Patricia and Judge, which were so wildly egregious and irrational that they can only be read as pathological. . Add to that that for whatever reason his skills in evaluating college players, particularly on offense, eroded severely over time, and you have the basic picture. To my eye, in the time since his departure, he has become a pathetic figure, nearly a laughingstock. I take no pleasure at all in making these observations, and I am grateful for his productive years here, but he has clearly lost it in a pretty profound and embarrassing way. I know this is not a popular take, but I can't honestly read it any other way. I see him as a tragic figure: his downfall is easily analyzed in terms of Aristotle's schema for tragic heroes, or perhaps as reaffirmation that "Pride cometh before a fall."

I hope he gets himself squared away. He deserves a better ending to his story than this.

Or he just failed to find a QB before you A-holes and Kraft turned on him.