Game Day Thread Official Post Game Day Thread- Pats beat the Jets

[RobertWeathers]

Sorry, I remembered this play and immediately was surprised that Mondre broke to the right when he had one guy in front of him and the whole eft side of the field was wide open. If you didn't already know what happened, what would you have predicted about this run from this point on?

Yea he may have made a bad decision. It happens.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: the bold. Examples?

I am using hyperbole to prove a point, but check out the complaining the Jets were robbed on the pick six on Jones because the refs correctly called roughing the passer. What Patriots fans do that? It is almost like they wanted the pick six to stand to prove a point that Jones sucks.

 

[Kontradiction]

I am using hyperbole to prove a point, but check out the complaining the Jets were robbed on the pick six on Jones because the refs correctly called roughing the passer. What Patriots fans do that.

Ok. Which posts? I’ve read a lot of this thread and cannot, for the life of me, figure out what you’re talking about. Who is “complaining that the Jets were robbed on a pick six?”

 

[Rob0729]

Ok. Which posts? I’ve read a lot of this thread and cannot, for the life of me, figure out what you’re talking about. Who is “complaining that the Jets were robbed on a pick six?”

Look at the posts I responded to with video with someone complaining about the roughing call. That was textbook roughing the passer.

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[Real fan 02]

I still don't get the "Zappe-is-Answer" crowd.
Do they not count the fact that after Zappe led the Pats to the lead 14-10 last week at halftime, he continued to lead the team the rest of the game, and didn't produce 1 dang thing. If he played so bad with a lead, with ALL the momentum and crowd behind him at home, but couldn't muster barely a 1st down the entire 2nd half (including 2 INT's and a fumble), what makes people think he can obviously tear up the Jets or anyone else going forward? I'm not saying Zappe stinks, but he's not any less vulnerable than Mac. So, I'll stick with the more experienced at this juncture and see if the O Coaches can start helping him.

I feel like in this league you need a combination of elite QB play and great coaching.. as we know we had that for so long.. if anything zappe showed he could be a more than capable back up, and that's an excellent thing for the team going forward.

The point I've tried to make is that compare and contrast Mac's rookie year to this one, clearly the offense is different, Mac shoulders the blame becuase of course he's the qb, however he's doing what the coaches ask of him.. not excusing the turnovers, but that he wasn't in much of these difficult situations last season.. he had heavy use of the TE is hunter Henry still on the team? A 10 touchdown guy last season and he's like non existing..

I think Mac will be fine and continue to grow as he further acclimates to this non TE offensive scheme..

 

[PatsFan2]

Give them a little time to develop.

I mean, Trubisky, Darnold, Mayfield, Goff, Rosen, Jordan Love, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Mariota, these are just some of the 1st rounders from other recent drafts.

The rare thing is finding a Josh Allen or Mahomes.

I get the last part.

 

[ensoul]

I only saw one.

Well he thew two and the only reason why it was called back was because of the roughing the passer call.

In fact that call saved the Patriots. If that call isn't made the pats lose the game 24 22.

No one should really feel better about Jones just because that interception was called back.

 

[Pats2000]

So you have no idea how Jones does in play action, but you know he sucks at it. Just admit you are just using your biases to project what you think as fact.

No one knows why Patricia isn’t using play action with Jones. He hasn’t used it very much with Jones all year. So it isn‘t like they used it a lot and Jones failed at it.

But let’s go with Zappe is the better QB and Belichick would rather play the QB who gives him the better chance to lose because Belichick believes in fairness and gives Jones the start because it would be embarrassing for a first round pick to be benched for a fourth rounder.

Teams haven’t developed a book on Zappe. Once they do, they will game plan specifically for him if he ever starts again. Once they do, Zappe could be completely exposed as he was in the second half last week. People are putting way too much stock on a very small sample size for Zappe against mediocre defenses.

Sure that's a possibility, but let's go with what we know:

1. They aren't using PA with Jones, which is widely used across the league last, because Jones is so good at it they don't want him to just pad his stays.
2. Zappe is extremely effective at PA, but they still use it because they want him to pad his stats
3. Jones has a QB rating of 70, Zappe has a QB rating of 100.
4. Teams seem to have def figured out Jones weaknesses and it shows in his 7 INT to 3 TD's and Mac isn't doing a great job adapting.
5. Teams might figure out Zappe at some point in the future, so we should play the worse QB.
6. Zappe is doing all of the things NFL teams like to do better than Jones, sees the field better, protects the ball better, moves in the pocket better, etc.

Mac is on a short leash right now. BB and the Pats have invested a lot in him. So they need to give him time. But he puts up anymore stinkers, you better believe Zappe is close on his heels.

But we should go with your theory, Mac is actually doing really well and PA is something be excels at, but the coaches don't want to use it for some unknown reason to us.

 

[Rob0729]

Ok. Which posts? I’ve read a lot of this thread and cannot, for the life of me, figure out what you’re talking about. Who is “complaining that the Jets were robbed on a pick six?”

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[Pats2000]

BTW, I would never have thought the Mac hate would get so bad that Patriots fans on this board are upset that a pick six by the Jets was overturn by a roughing the passer call. A call that was correctly called because he hit Jones after he got rid of the ball.

No one's upset, it's simply the turnover machine was saved by a flag. That probably won us the game. They just aren't seeing Mac doing any better than he has in any other games. Which is cause for a concern when the next time it happens there's no flag

 

[Kontradiction]

#293

This one?

If you so much as breath on a QB that becomes a roughing the passer penalty. That's what was called today.



Tackling QBs has been reduced to Touch football. That was barely a love tap @:55 mark. I'll take it even though it was unjustified because it helped us win. But that doesn't change the fact that Mac Jones made a HORRIBLE decision and throw that was only saved by the referees throwing the yellow flag there.

Where did this poster express that he was upset about the pick-6 being taken away for roughing? He even qualified this by saying he would take it because it helped us win. This example does not prove your original point - that posters are upset that the pick-6 was taken away. Do you have any other examples to offer? Or can we chalk this up to the same non-existent psychosis we were talking about a few days ago?

 

[Pats2000]

I did not know that you can move backwards when you receive your own punt and have a touchback? I need some help here, i was at a sports bar. Your motion has to stop for the ball to be downed at the spot where you stop? So let's say Slate caught the ball on the Patriots punt at the jets 20 and started running towards the endzone. He then stops at the 1, no motion. 1st and 10 from the 1?

No, it would be where you had control of the ball , but if slater ran backwards with control at the 20 into the EZ, it's a touchback

 

[Rob0729]

Sure that's a possibility, but let's go with what we know:

1. They aren't using PA with Jones, which is widely used across the league last, because Jones is so good at it they don't want him to just pad his stays.
2. Zappe is extremely effective at PA, but they still use it because they want him to pad his stats
3. Jones has a QB rating of 70, Zappe has a QB rating of 100.
4. Teams seem to have def figured out Jones weaknesses and it shows in his 7 INT to 3 TD's and Mac isn't doing a great job adapting.
5. Teams might figure out Zappe at some point in the future, so we should play the worse QB.
6. Zappe is doing all of the things NFL teams like to do better than Jones, sees the field better, protects the ball better, moves in the pocket better, etc.

Mac is on a short leash right now. BB and the Pats have invested a lot in him. So they need to give him time. But he puts up anymore stinkers, you better believe Zappe is close on his heels.

But we should go with your theory, Mac is actually doing really well and PA is something be excels at, but the coaches don't want to use it for some unknown reason to us.

Where did I say Jones is doing really well. And people around the league have been asking why the Patriots are not doing play action with Jones. That’s the mystery. No one knows why they are not doing it.

It is funny the pro Zappe crowd are saying they are running the same exact offense for both QBs. You are the only pro Zappe person who admits they are calling plays differently for both QBs.

 

[Kontradiction]

No one's upset, it's simply the turnover machine was saved by a flag. That probably won us the game. They just aren't seeing Mac doing any better than he has in any other games. Which is cause for a concern when the next time it happens there's no flag

You don’t understand. Any criticism whatsoever of anyone on this team = you really hate BB and just want to see him lose so you can be right. This sort of lazy dogshit nonsense has been happening here for years.

 

[Rob0729]

This one?



Where did this poster express that he was upset about the pick-6 being taken away for roughing? He even qualified this by saying he would take it because it helped us win. This example does not prove your original point - that posters are upset that the pick-6 was taken away. Do you have any other examples to offer? Or can we chalk this up to the same non-existent psychosis we were talking about a few days ago?

When does a Patriots fan complain about a good call in the Patriots favor ever? It is clear that his bias against Mac is clouding his judgment and that is my point. He is upset the call was taken away. He was happy the Pats won.

 

[Kontradiction]

When does a Patriots fan complain about a good call in the Patriots favor ever?

People complain about the ****ification of the NFL all the time. I agree that it was roughing, but it’s far from the poster in question being upset that the Jets didn’t score a TD. Such a post does not exist. This is all in your head.

It is clear that his bias against Mac is clouding his judgment and that is my point. He is upset the call was taken away. He was happy the Pats won.

That’s not the least bit clear at all, given that he said he would take it because, and I quote, “it helped US win.” It’s a psychosis that you’re caught up in. One can be critical of Mac or the NFL rules without secretly hoping the team loses. Enough. Nobody on here, save for fans of other teams, is rooting against the Patriots. Stop peddling this lazy ass narrative for which you can offer no proof.

 

[Rob0729]

You don’t understand. Any criticism whatsoever of anyone on this team = you really hate BB and just want to see him lose so you can be right. This sort of lazy dogshit nonsense has been happening here for years.

He could have said that Jones was saved because the defender was a moron and committed an unnecessary roughing the passer penalty. But he sees the refs bailing him out.

Go ahead and criticize Mac on the play, but don’t make it sound like a bogus call by the refs bailed out Mac. That’s fans of the other team do. Not fans of the team that were the recipient of the right call.

 

[upstater1]

Since I defended Wynn when he got two holds in a game (the broadcast replayed them and they were both weak calls), and then I defended Trent Brown for the same reason (especially as Judon was being clotheslined across the neck), I have to defend Cole Strange today.

CBS did not show either of his holds.

However, both holds were clear makeup calls as they both came after roughing calls on Mac Jones.

For sure the 2nd roughing helped the Patriots after a pick 6.

But the 1st makeup call hurt us badly.

Mac ran for a 1st down, and immediately we found ourselves at 1st and 20 because of the call on Strange. I'd rather they not even call the roughing penalty at all if they are automatically going to follow up with a holding penalty. The NFL refs keep doing this and they really end up doing is penalizing the team that is on offense by putting them in a big hole. I'd rather be 1st and 10 fifteen yards back than be 1st and 20 15 yards upfield.

I hate seeing this happen.

They didn't show a replay on Strange's holding calls but I strongly feel they must have been bogus because of the context.

And it's also likely that Strange was later beaten by Williams for a sack because he wasn't doing the normal quasi-legal holding players do on each and every play

 

[Rob0729]

People complain about the ****ification of the NFL all the time. I agree that it was roughing, but it’s far from the poster in question being upset that the Jets didn’t score a TD. Such a post does not exist. This is all in your head.



That’s not the least bit clear at all, given that he said he would take it because, and I quote, “it helped US win.” It’s a psychosis that you’re caught up in. One can be critical of Mac or the NFL rules without secretly hoping the team loses. Enough. Nobody on here, save for fans of other teams, is rooting against the Patriots. Stop peddling this lazy ass narrative for which you can offer no proof.

Criticiize Jones all you want. I have criticized Jones myself. He‘s been playing well this year. But don’t claim he was bailed out by the refs on a bad call when he clearly wasn’t.

 

[Kontradiction]

He could have said that Jones was saved because the defender was a moron and committed an unnecessary roughing the passer penalty. But he sees the refs bailing him out.

He doesn’t agree that it was roughing, though. So why would he say that?

Go ahead and criticize Mac on the play, but don’t make it sound like a bogus call by the refs bailed out Mac. That’s fans of the other team do. Not fans of the team that were the recipient of the right call.

But he doesn’t feel that it’s the right call. So what you would do in this situation is post the rules along with a replay and debate him. Not make some lazy ass accusation that a poster who has been here for years really just wants to see the team lose because he hates Mac.

I asked you for an example of a poster being upset that the Jets didn’t score a TD. You offered me a post in which the poster said he was glad for the call because it helped US win. Your point doesn’t hold water.