PostGame Thread OFFICIAL 2023 Post Game Thread: Week 16 - NE @ DEN

[festy1986]

31 teams suck every year?
Top 10 defenses suck?
I know you were there, and I also know you have no clue.

I was there. Their secondary was bad.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady 1

Bill 0

With belichick he wins 78% of his games, without him, 64% and has a losing record his final season.
They were both better because of each other. That’s how teams work.

 

[Ring 6]

I was there. Their secondary was bad.

How can a top defense have a bad secondary?

 

[festy1986]

You can't even prove he would have been in the league without BB, but have yourself a good tug.

I've heard a lot of things but Bill finding Brady is a new one to me. Source?

The unsung heroes who spurred the Patriots to draft Tom Brady when no other team wanted to

Scouts wondered why Tom Brady hadn't separated himself sooner in college. But **** Rehbein and Bobby Grier saw that Michigan had made the mistake, not Brady.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[*ChungFu*]

I've heard a lot of things but Bill finding Brady is a new one to me. Source?

The unsung heroes who spurred the Patriots to draft Tom Brady when no other team wanted to

Scouts wondered why Tom Brady hadn't separated himself sooner in college. But **** Rehbein and Bobby Grier saw that Michigan had made the mistake, not Brady.

sports.yahoo.com

You mention not a single team or coach working for anyone other than the man that pulled the trigger.

 

[Ring 6]

I've heard a lot of things but Bill finding Brady is a new one to me. Source?

The unsung heroes who spurred the Patriots to draft Tom Brady when no other team wanted to

Scouts wondered why Tom Brady hadn't separated himself sooner in college. But **** Rehbein and Bobby Grier saw that Michigan had made the mistake, not Brady.

sports.yahoo.com

Who drafted him? Who coached him and developed him? Who made him the starter? Who does he say he couldn’t have been as successful without?

 

[festy1986]

With belichick he wins 78% of his games, without him, 64% and has a losing record his final season.
They were both better because of each other. That’s how teams work.

No.

Brady wins Superbowls.

Bill doesn't win even win playoff games.

Take the loss on this one. Because it's embarrassing.

But really this is a perfect example of bias. Brady winning Superbowls without Bill doesn't really mean anything because he wasn't winning at a 78% rate.

Ok we get it. You won't capitulate your point. Even if one is winning Superbowls and the other one is in contention for the first overall pick.

 

[sb1]

Brady 1

Bill 0

And literally.

Buccaneers 19-17 Patriots (Oct 3, 2021) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 19-17, from October 3, 2021 on ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[*ChungFu*]

No.

Brady wins Superbowls.

Bill doesn't win even win playoff games.

Take the loss on this one. Because it's embarrassing.

But really this is a perfect example of bias. Brady winning Superbowls without Bill doesn't really mean anything because he wasn't winning at a 78% rate.

Ok we get it. You won't capitulate your point. Even if one is winning Superbowls and the other one is in contention for the first overall pick.

You got a lotta booze in your stocking dintcha :wink:

 

[festy1986]

How can a top defense have a bad secondary?

Because you have the overall defensive ratings. Where was their secondary ranked? How many possessions were lost because they couldn't get off the field on third down?

You mention not a single team or coach working for anyone other than the man that pulled the trigger.

Because you keep moving the goal post.

Focus on their success independently of each other because it's the only verifiable fact.

Who drafted him? Who coached him and developed him? Who made him the starter? Who does he say he couldn’t have been as successful without?

Who has more Superbowl wins? What's the point of the game? To win Superbowls?

If the point is to win Superbowls then Brady won the argument.


Yall dragged me into a bs argument.

the argument was if Bill was supposed to just continue to sink this franchise into the ground because he was successful 5 years ago. Your point was he's the goat so he can do what he wants.

the numbers don't support that in the last 5 years so you're talking about a bunch of seasons that can't be fully contributed to him.

 

[Ring 6]

No.

Brady wins Superbowls.

Bill doesn't win even win playoff games.

Take the loss on this one. Because it's embarrassing.

But really this is a perfect example of bias. Brady winning Superbowls without Bill doesn't really mean anything because he wasn't winning at a 78% rate.

Ok we get it. You won't capitulate your point. Even if one is winning Superbowls and the other one is in contention for the first overall pick.

He won 1 SB without him and 6 with him.

Bb has won more playoff games than any coach in history.

There is nothing to “capitulate”. Football is a team sport, and the most important part is building the roster.

 

[festy1986]

And literally.

Buccaneers 19-17 Patriots (Oct 3, 2021) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 19-17, from October 3, 2021 on ESPN.

www.espn.com

I don't understand why they ain't capitulate the point.

Bill is the greatest of all time.

However, without Brady the numbers don't support that and that's what matters because Brady isn't out there to fix Bills inadequate drafting.

You cant just let Bill run the franchise into the damn ground because he did a great job

 

[sb1]

Who drafted him? Who coached him and developed him? Who made him the starter? Who does he say he couldn’t have been as successful without?

Bill Belichick reaffirms Tom Brady's role in his Patriots' success

Belichick said he didn't know if the NFL would stop the game when Brady breaks the NFL passing record Sunday

www.masslive.com

 

[festy1986]

He won 1 SB without him and 6 with him.

Bb has won more playoff games than any coach in history.

There is nothing to “capitulate”. Football is a team sport, and the most important part is building the roster.

Again. What has Bill done as a head coach WITHOUT Brady?

Youre point is that Bill can do what he wants cause the success speaks for it self. My point is that without Brady that's not true.

We know it's not true. It's not a opinion.

 

[festy1986]

Bill Belichick reaffirms Tom Brady's role in his Patriots' success

Belichick said he didn't know if the NFL would stop the game when Brady breaks the NFL passing record Sunday

www.masslive.com

Well. You're saving me a **** ton of arguing because Bill him self acknowledges this fact. Thank you.

What a game winning reply. Good ****.

 

[sb1]

I don't understand why they ain't capitulate the point.

Bill is the greatest of all time.

However, without Brady the numbers don't support that and that's what matters because Brady isn't out there to fix Bills inadequate drafting.

You cant just let Bill run the franchise into the damn ground because he did a great job

Yeah. A coaching job is not a lifetime achievement award. I mean… maybe we should sign Joe Montana as our QB right now cause he won a bunch of SB’s?

 

[Ring 6]

Because you have the overall defensive ratings. Where was their secondary ranked? How many possessions were lost because they couldn't get off the field on third down?


Because you keep moving the goal post.

Focus on their success independently of each other because it's the only verifiable fact.


Who has more Superbowl wins? What's the point of the game? To win Superbowls?

If the point is to win Superbowls then Brady won the argument.


Yall dragged me into a bs argument.

the argument was if Bill was supposed to just continue to sink this franchise into the ground because he was successful 5 years ago. Your point was he's the goat so he can do what he wants.

the numbers don't support that in the last 5 years so you're talking about a bunch of seasons that can't be fully contributed to him.

I don’t care where the secondary was ranked. The job of a defense is to prevent points. Your opinion, or statistics doesn’t override that.

I’m not moving the goalposts at all. If a defense performs as a top 10 defense, whatever is influencing your opinion to call it bad either means you don’t understand what you are watching it you dont understand the impact of it.

I didn’t drag you into anything. Throng to argue who was more responsible (or on your idiotic case solely responsible) is stupid. Winning requires everyone to contribute. Having both the GOAT QB and GOAT HC/GM doesn’t mean one diminishes the other.

The point is he is the greatest to ever do the job. So when you decide who you want doing it, the best ever is the right choice. And there is no disputing he is the best ever.

 

[sb1]

Well. You're saving me a **** ton of arguing because Bill him self acknowledges this fact. Thank you.

What a game winning reply. Good ****.

The man himself said so. I got nothing else to add.

 

[Ring 6]

Bill Belichick reaffirms Tom Brady's role in his Patriots' success

Belichick said he didn't know if the NFL would stop the game when Brady breaks the NFL passing record Sunday

www.masslive.com

And Brady has said the same about belichick.

 

[signbabybrady]

What happens to the resume of quarterbacks who lose the grestest coach ever?

Montana, Aikman, Peyton won with more than one coach so Brady isn't the only one