NFLN First Round Mock

[MoLewisrocks]

Some interesting rationale and commentary, particularly from Mayock (who seems to see us wheeling and dealing). Eisen got our pick :ugh: and he sees that too, but absent the ability to he went with Odrick...

The really comical stuff is Marshall Faulk's ****amamie picks and Mayock's reaction to them... Honestly, NFLN should just move on from the Faulk experiment.

Spirited mock debate gives hints at how first round could unfold

If we have to stay at 22 I really like Pouncy more and more after hearing Mayock's assessment that he's the only Olineman on the board who could play 4 positions.

 

[Marqui]

Pouncey is my #1 target right now at 22. I really hope he falls right into NEs lap.

 

[patsfan-1982]

with both kindle and Brandon Graham, off the bord i love the Jared Odrick, pick i could even see BB takeing hughes, at #22 or even tradeing out of the first round.



who knows with BB but i got a gut feeling that jerry hughes, name will be called at #22

 

[MoLewisrocks]

with both kindle and Brandon Graham, off the bord i love the Jared Odrick, pick i could even see BB takeing hughes, at #22 or even tradeing out of the first round.



who knows with BB but i got a gut feeling that jerry hughes, name will be called at #22

I'm praying it won't be. Not that it can't be Hughes, just not at #22. If Pouncy is gone and I'm beginning to welcome the idea that Kindle will be long gone, then I'd much prefer we trade back and even out to net some 3's (of which we have none) or another 2 which we could then use or parlay into those 3's.

 

[patsfan-1982]

I'm praying it won't be. Not that it can't be Hughes, just not at #22. If Pouncy is gone and I'm beginning to welcome the idea that Kindle will be long gone, then I'd much prefer we trade back and even out to net some 3's (of which we have none) or another 2 which we could then use or parlay into those 3's.

sounds good to me.

 

[Seneschal2]

If we have to stay at 22 I really like Pouncy more and more after hearing Mayock's assessment that he's the only Olineman on the board who could play 4 positions.

I'm not clear as to who may be high on the Pats board, but am very confident that Pouncey is among the highest.

...who knows with BB but i got a gut feeling that jerry hughes, name will be called at #22

He's been my favorite edge rusher from the beginning. But his lack of length does concern me. If he were two inches taller, many here would consider him more. There's also the concern for all transition players -- do you gamble in round one for someone who hasn't played the position the way it will be required for the Pats? He's a really good football player and supposedly very coachable -- but I doubt BB addresses the need in round one.

 

[JackBauer]

Really do not want Pouncey at 22.

 

[letekro]

I'm praying it won't be. Not that it can't be Hughes, just not at #22. If Pouncy is gone and I'm beginning to welcome the idea that Kindle will be long gone, then I'd much prefer we trade back and even out to net some 3's (of which we have none) or another 2 which we could then use or parlay into those 3's.

I'm all for this, especially after seeing the quality on Gosselin's board between 60-100.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Really do not want Pouncey at 22.

Mind if I ask why?

Personally I'd rather trade back, well back. But if I'm stuck at 22 and have to make a pick, he's tremendous value given the age and health and contract status of 3/5ths of our OL and his ability to start at 3 positions for a decade (or play at 4 per Mayock) and the simple fact that in a draft this deep we can address other needs like OLB, DE, TE, WR between 44-119 and possibly beyond.

Who is your fallback if that's the pick?

 

[JackBauer]

Mind if I ask why?

Personally I'd rather trade back, well back. But if I'm stuck at 22 and have to make a pick, he's tremendous value given the age and health and contract status of 3/5ths of our OL and his ability to start at 3 positions for a decade (or play at 4 per Mayock) and the simple fact that in a draft this deep we can address other needs like OLB, DE, TE, WR between 44-119 and possibly beyond.

Who is your fallback if that's the pick?

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh in my assessment. There are certainly many guys I'd be more upset with at 22 than Pouncey. You're right that value-wise it would be a good pick; however, there are simply too many holes to fill and right now OG/OC is no higher than 5th on the priority list, IMO:

-DE/OLB
-TE
-RB
-WR

These are all positions I'd rather see addressed at 22 (well, maybe not TE since a 3rd TE taken in the 1st round would be a bit consternating).

Really I'm hoping for a Graham et al (not so high on Kindle) at that spot. But if there's no one they really like there and trading down isn't feasible, I would be okay with Pouncey.

 

[R_T26]

Never draft centers in first round. Sorry it's a wasted pick. If the pats don't take someone who will help immediately and not just rotationally, they should look into trading Brady because it would show they are not really making a serious push this year.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Never draft centers in first round. Sorry it's a wasted pick. If the pats don't take someone who will help immediately and not just rotationally, they should look into trading Brady because it would show they are not really making a serious push this year.

This is a head scratcher. You think they should lie down this year if they don't get a immediate contributor at #22? You mean to tell me that the season's success hinges on the ability of whomever they grab with their first few picks to win or lose games for them?

With there being so few sure things coming into the league every year, using the language you did about making a serious push makes it seem like you think the draft is free agency, which we know isn't true.

2010's success will be determined by guys drafted in 09,08 etc... 2010's draft class is expected to play secondary and tertiary roles... if they get a primary contributor it's good fortune and reward for excellent scouting.

 

[Irish Hooligan]

If I went Marshal Faulk at my job I would get fired, quickly.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Never draft centers in first round. Sorry it's a wasted pick. If the pats don't take someone who will help immediately and not just rotationally, they should look into trading Brady because it would show they are not really making a serious push this year.

Who is to say we don't need a starting C, RG, LG for substantial portions of this season, not to mention thereafter. The Patriots don't draft for this year, they draft for the next 5 years. And if you potentially upgrade an OL there is a trickle down effect across the board. Ditto DL on defense. That's why smart teams build from the trenches out.

 

[yopats]

I'm not clear as to who may be high on the Pats board, but am very confident that Pouncey is among the highest.



He's been my favorite edge rusher from the beginning. But his lack of length does concern me. If he were two inches taller, many here would consider him more. There's also the concern for all transition players -- do you gamble in round one for someone who hasn't played the position the way it will be required for the Pats? He's a really good football player and supposedly very coachable -- but I doubt BB addresses the need in round one.

His Length is actually quite good for his size..

Jerry Hughes (DE)
Height:6'2"
Weight:255 lbs.
Arm Length:33 in.
Hand Size:9 3/4 in.

Jason Pierre-Paul (DE)
Height:6'5"
Weight:270 lbs.
Arm Length:34 3/4 in.
Hand Size:10 3/8 in.

Everson Griffen (DE)
Height:6'3"
Weight:273 lbs.
Arm Length:32 5/8 in.
Hand Size:10 in.

Brandon Graham (DE)
Height:6'1"
Weight:268 lbs.
Arm Length:32 1/4 in.
Hand Size:9 7/8 in.

 

[fester]

Why not? It seems that first round centers have been good value picks for the past decade. Mangold is the best example, but Woods has turned into a competent starting lineman for the Bills, Bentley was a good to very good choice for the Saints, Alex Mack is working out for Browns. Faine was iffy, but overall, choosing a center in the 1st round has given teams competent or better linemen this decade.

And the center position should become more valuable as the 3-4 defense proliferates as the center now has to be able to stand up a NT playing the 0-technique with minimal help if his team's inside running game is to be effective.

Never draft centers in first round. Sorry it's a wasted pick. If the pats don't take someone who will help immediately and not just rotationally, they should look into trading Brady because it would show they are not really making a serious push this year.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Never draft centers in first round. Sorry it's a wasted pick. If the pats don't take someone who will help immediately and not just rotationally, they should look into trading Brady because it would show they are not really making a serious push this year.

I hear what your saying, but when you have Koppen at center, it's a big need. Also, Neal is injury prone and doesn't have much left in the tank. Pouncey can play both positions. In addition, if we ever want to see what Maroney can do, get him some good run blocking lineman that can actually open up holes. BB has called out the O-line a lot regarding their lack of run blocking. Then again, I didn't need BB to validate my opinion.

However, if there aren't any pass rushers available and Pouncey is gone, I'd trade out and try to grab a 2nd and 3rd rounder.

 

[Marqui]

That's why smart teams build from the trenches out.

Yeah, I have no clue why anyone would be against upgrading the Pats sub-par trenches. The Pats won 3 chips by having their front lines dominate.

 

[JackBauer]

Yeah, I have no clue why anyone would be against upgrading the Pats sub-par trenches. The Pats won 3 chips by having their front lines dominate.

Not really sure about that. Patriots managed to win Super Bowls with JAGs at RT, in particular.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Yeah, I have no clue why anyone would be against upgrading the Pats sub-par trenches. The Pats won 3 chips by having their front lines dominate.

The super bowl against the Rams and Panthers had a lot designed plays to slow down the pass rush. If the Pats played them straight up like they did against the Giants, Brady would've gotten killed.