Next Stop, the Underwear Olympics

[mayoclinic]

Logan Thomas with a 35.5" vertical and 9'10" broad jump to go with his 4.60 40 and 1.59 10 yard split at 6'6" 248#.

Compare that with Jimmy Graham in 2010: 6' 6 1/4" 260#, 4.53 40, 1.53 10 yard split, 38" vertical, 10' broad jump. Not far off. Graham also had a 6.90 3-cone - it will be interesting to see Thomas' number.

Graham went in the late 3rd (#95 overall) as a raw TE with athletic upside. Mayock predicted at the time that it would take 2-3 years before he would be ready to contribute - he was slightly off on that one. Late 3rd/early 4th for Thomas doesn't seem ridiculous as a TE conversion, based on pure athleticism.

 

[mayoclinic]

If he gets snagged outside the top 10, that would be amazing value. I can see him going top 5 and first WR.

I doubt he will pass Sammy Watkins, but top 10 is certainly possible.

Clowney
Bortles, Bridgwater and Manziel
Robinson and Matthews
Khalil and Barr
Watkins and Evans

Seems like a pretty likely top 10 to me at the moment.

 

[manxman2601]

I doubt he will pass Sammy Watkins, but top 10 is certainly possible.

Clowney
Bortles, Bridgwater and Manziel
Robinson and Matthews
Khalil and Barr
Watkins and Evans

Seems like a pretty likely top 10 to me at the moment.

Works for me.

 

[everlong]

Donte Moncrief: 4.40 in the forty. No other receiver had a better 10 yd split and he had a 39.5 vertical and 11' broad jump.

If he could be had in the third or fourth round, he'd be excellent value.

I fear lusting after Moncrief feeling it will be Mike Wallace 2.0 and we'll take the next Bradon Tate the pick before. Not that Wallace would have succeeded in our system but I really wanted him that year. Moncrief is bigger, faster, can jump higher, has more explosion and has better hands. I have a feeling he's going to climb.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Andre Williams: 38" Vertical, 10' 9" broad jump. 2nd in both despite being 230 lbs.

Pair that with 2,200 yard and it has me listening

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Here's the thing, you've got to stay ahead of the curve. A lot of the big guys were undervalued assets a couple of years ago and Seattle took advantage of that market inefficiency. But now if everyone's trying to get "long corners and safeties", you're paying more and the discounted talent is smaller guys.

Got to get ahead by snapping up better players with less draft capital. Its going to be hard to get a discount on size after the super bowl.

You're not saying anything new. Everyone knows this already -- basic supply and demand.

Seattle isn't good because they are big. It's far, far more than that. In fact they got better when 6' Maxwell took over for 6'4" Browner. Seattle is great because all of the players fit the scheme, compliment each other, and communicate flawlessly. They play as a unit, it's synergy.

The Patriots don't have that. They have some pieces, but they don't have that, and putting a 189 pound safety net to McCourty would only exacerbate the problem. That would be as dumb as putting a 189 pound safety next to Earl Thomas.

 

[mayoclinic]

Works for me.

I'm not sure many other players could break that top 10. Maybe a CB like Justin Gilbert if he puts up a 4.3 40 and great agility numbers, but even then I think top 15 is more likely than top 10.

 

[manxman2601]

I fear lusting after Moncrief feeling it will be Mike Wallace 2.0 and we'll take the next Bradon Tate the pick before. Not that Wallace would have succeeded in our system but I really wanted him that year. Moncrief is bigger, faster, can jump higher, has more explosion and has better hands. I have a feeling he's going to climb.

Almost identical numbers to Justin Hunter who went 34. This is a better class so Moncrief might fall a little further but I'd be surprised if he fell out of the 2nd.

 

[Danger Zone]

I'm not sure many other players could break that top 10. Maybe a CB like Justin Gilbert if he puts up a 4.3 40 and great agility numbers, but even then I think top 15 is more likely than top 10.

Didnt that Deon Sandcastle just run a 4.2 40?

 

[mayoclinic]

Seattle isn't good because they are big. It's far, far more than that. In fact they got better when 6' Maxwell took over for 6'4" Browner. Seattle is great because all of the players fit the scheme, compliment each other, and communicate flawlessly. They play as a unit, it's synergy.

The Patriots don't have that. They have some pieces, but they don't have that, and putting a 189 pound safety net to McCourty would only exacerbate the problem. That would be as dumb as putting a 189 pound safety next to Earl Thomas.

I've been making the "synergy" argument for awhile. Carroll and Schneider had a very consistent vision which they've executed to over the past 4 years. The Pats' have a bunch of pieces, but not quite as much synergy. That's part of why I'd like to see them really declare a direction on defense and stick to it. Being "multiple" is good, but having pieces that compliment each other is important.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm not sure many other players could break that top 10. Maybe a CB like Justin Gilbert if he puts up a 4.3 40 and great agility numbers, but even then I think top 15 is more likely than top 10.

If Donald or Hageman exceed their lofty predicted numbers then both of those could. Ebron and Kony Ealy are possibilities as well but that's about it.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

WR broad jump and vertical results also up on Steeler's Depot:

2014 NFL Combine Results: Wide Receivers | Steelers Depot

39.5" vertical: Donte Moncrief, Davante Adams
39": Martavis Bryant, Michael Campanaro
38.5: Odell Beckham
38": Marqise Lee, Paul Richardson

39" for Richardson. That seems to match his high pointing ability.

Logan Thomas with a 35.5" vertical and 9'10" broad jump to go with his 4.60 40 and 1.59 10 yard split at 6'6" 248#.

Compare that with Jimmy Graham in 2010: 6' 6 1/4" 260#, 4.53 40, 1.53 10 yard split, 38" vertical, 10' broad jump. Not far off. Graham also had a 6.90 3-cone - it will be interesting to see Thomas' number.

Graham went in the late 3rd (#95 overall) as a raw TE with athletic upside. Mayock predicted at the time that it would take 2-3 years before he would be ready to contribute - he was slightly off on that one. Late 3rd/early 4th for Thomas doesn't seem ridiculous as a TE conversion, based on pure athleticism.

Not ridiculous like Jimmy Graham but still pretty good. Looking back it's hard to believe Graham was picked that late. Those numbers aren't human.

 

[manxman2601]

Wow. Just noticed that Campanaro has better numbers than Edelman (just) If he throws in an Edelman-esque 3cone which is a longshot at 6.62, I will become officially very interested.

 

[mayoclinic]

Almost identical numbers to Justin Hunter who went 34. This is a better class so Moncrief might fall a little further but I'd be surprised if he fell out of the 2nd.

Hunter's numbers were a bit more freakish: 6'4" 196#, 4.36 40, 40.5" vertical, 11'6" broad jump (1" less than Jamie Collins). But Moncrief's numbers are pretty strong, and he is a more physical receiver than Hunter.

 

[Brady6]

I have been mocking this kid since the beginning but I really like what Jeff Janis did at the combine.

- 6’3” 219 Lbs.
- 4.42 40 Yard Dash
- 20 Reps
- 37.5 Vertical
- 123.0 Broad

 

[mayoclinic]

I have been mocking this kid since the beginning but I really like what Jeff Janis did at the combine.

- 6’3” 219 Lbs.
- 4.42 40 Yard Dash
- 20 Reps
- 37.5 Vertical
- 123.0 Broad

He's an impressive physical specimen, no doubt about it. His hands are suspect from what I understand, in addition to the "level of competition" question.

 

[manxman2601]

I have been mocking this kid since the beginning but I really like what Jeff Janis did at the combine.

- 6’3” 219 Lbs.
- 4.42 40 Yard Dash
- 20 Reps
- 37.5 Vertical
- 123.0 Broad

Apparently stunk at the Senior Bowl and as Mayo said, has reportedly bad hands. I haven't watched him so can't comment.

 

[Brady6]

The 4.73 by Chris Boyd leaves a lot to be desired. I thought he could have been a nice late round steal but that is really slow.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

I've been making the "synergy" argument for awhile. Carroll and Schneider had a very consistent vision which they've executed to over the past 4 years. The Pats' have a bunch of pieces, but not quite as much synergy. That's part of why I'd like to see them really declare a direction on defense and stick to it. Being "multiple" is good, but having pieces that compliment each other is important.

Yeah all the great defense play with great synergy (TB, BLT, CHI). Most fans will overrate Seattle's Super Bowl performance, but NFL decision-makers will not. They know that was not only Seattle's best game, but perhaps the best defensive show ever in the Super Bowl.

As far as being multiple, I don't care much about that. It's not the 4-3 Leo that makes them great, but the synergy and the flexibility of the depth chart.

 

[mayoclinic]

Some unofficial RB 40's from Josh Norris:

- Dri Archer 4.29, 1.46 10 yard split.
- Devonta Freeman 4.50, 1.59 10 yard.
- Ka'deem Carey 4.65, 1.59 10 yard.
- Tyler Gaffney 4.43, 1.53 10 yard.
- Jeremy Hill 4.63.
- Carlos Hyde 4.62, 1.65 10 yard - hammy injury apparently.
- Storm Johnson 4.50.
- Jerrick Mackinnon 4.38, 1.46 10 yard. To go with 32 reps @ 225, 40.5" vertical and 11" broad jump. Wow.
- Tre Mason 4.44, 1.57 10 yard.