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Newsday: Did the Jets spy on the Patriots, too? [merged]

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Re: Newsday: Did the Jets spy on the Patriots, too?

iam sure these couldve been among the tapes BB turned into the league.


Not according to the article... at least according to the league, they had never heard of it before. Who knows if that's true though.
 
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There was no permission. That's why he was removed. Plus, the camera site wasn't enclosed, as per league rules. It was a clear violation. The Jets are playing damage control.
CHEATING RATS !!
 
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"It's no big deal," former Cowboys and Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson told the Daily News yesterday. "Everybody made too much out of it when it happened. This stuff has been going on for 20 years. I did it, too."

That's from today's Daily News.
 
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Found this via my ProJo blog, we've heard it before, but this is the most definitive story I've heard:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets125497053dec12,0,2673323.story

Odds of this story going anywhere? ZERO. Because when it gets down to it, nobody cares about videotaping signals, they only care that the Pats did it. The Jets contend that their videotaping was legal - though the cameraman was asked to be removed by the Patriots.


They actually reported it on Mike & Mike this morning!
 
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That's from today's Daily News.

of course the dailynews chooses to listen to jimmy johnson when their own team is under scrutiny...they didnt mention this in sept.
 
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when the **** are they gonna lose some draft picks?

talk about bull****.
 
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They actually reported it on Mike & Mike this morning!

If the story gained steam, I can actually see if have the positive side effect of putting Belichick in a nicer light. 1) People will see other teams did the same practice 2) They'll see BB handled it without being a rat.

It really looks Mangina look even more worthless and rat-like.
 
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btw, did anyone hear the Dale & Holley show yesterday, when Holley nonchalantly mentioned that the Jets had been taping the Pats? This was told to a (iirc) Newsday reporter, who said "if you have information like that you, you should call the NY papers, b/c it will be a huge story...it's news to me".

sounds like Holley (and probably many others) new about this, but the story broke kind of by accident
 
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So I guess in keeping with the Jets spirit, we should now be calling their head coach Eric Mancheati....
 
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Over at Jetsinsider.com they moved a thread regarding this article (posted by a Jets fan) to the "garbage bin" thread. Cowardly. This is a real news article with quotes from the Jets and CONFIRMATION from the Jets. It wasn't just invented by a Pats fan messageboard poster.

Just the fact that they can not rationally discuss this when its been in the real press shows they have no interest in being objective and rationally discussing the possibilities. Frauds. Close their eyes and they think information they don't like goes away.

Cowards.

J D Sal
 
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Re: Newsday: Did the Jets spy on the Patriots, too?

There was never a "rule". It was a directive by Goodell who got up one morning, put on his badge and gun, and decided this had to stop.

If I'm wrong , please show me in the "rule book" where that "rule" is.

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching .purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."
 
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NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching .purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

If my understanding is correct, it's not in the rule book, but in a "manual". To which I say, who the f**k readings manuals?
 
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If my understanding is correct, it's not in the rule book, but in a "manual". To which I say, who the f**k readings manuals?

it is in the Game Operations Manual, which is separate from the NFL rulebook. from another thread:

The rulebook covers the game as it is played on the field. The game operations manual covers off-the-field issues. The chief difference is that field officials enforce the rules contained in the rulebook, while officials in the NFL's front office enforce the rules in the game operations manual.

All major sports that I know of operate this way. For example, major league baseball has rules about pre-game fielding practice and batting practice and many other issues that are not in the official rulebook.

There's also another completely different set of NFL rules pertaining to what a team can and cannot do between games and in the off-season.
There are reasons for having different sets of rules in different documents. The official rulebooks applies primarily to players and, to a lesser extent, to coaches in the course of the game.

The game operations manual applies primarily to ancillary personnel (although, as in the Belichick case, the coaching staff may also be involved).
The third set of rules applies primarily to front office personnel such as the general manager, player personnel director, et al.
 
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it is in the Game Operations Manual, which is separate from the NFL rulebook. from another thread:

The rulebook covers the game as it is played on the field. The game operations manual covers off-the-field issues. The chief difference is that field officials enforce the rules contained in the rulebook, while officials in the NFL's front office enforce the rules in the game operations manual.

All major sports that I know of operate this way. For example, major league baseball has rules about pre-game fielding practice and batting practice and many other issues that are not in the official rulebook.

There's also another completely different set of NFL rules pertaining to what a team can and cannot do between games and in the off-season.
There are reasons for having different sets of rules in different documents. The official rulebooks applies primarily to players and, to a lesser extent, to coaches in the course of the game.

The game operations manual applies primarily to ancillary personnel (although, as in the Belichick case, the coaching staff may also be involved).
The third set of rules applies primarily to front office personnel such as the general manager, player personnel director, et al.

Good information. To me, this reinforces the fact that what BB did was equivalent to a parking ticket or jaywalking.
 
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Good information. To me, this reinforces the fact that what BB did was equivalent to a parking ticket or jaywalking.

it's more like being caught for jaywalking after the Mayor goes out of his way to says that all jaywalking is illegal and offenders will be dealt with seriously.
 
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it's more like being caught for jaywalking after the Mayor goes out of his way to says that all jaywalking is illegal and offenders will be dealt with seriously.

Yeah, but who listens to the douche-bag Mayor though? I thought rebelliousness and standing up for one-self was what America was all about
 
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Good information. To me, this reinforces the fact that what BB did was equivalent to a parking ticket or jaywalking.

Just because it isn't in the 'official' in-game rulebook doesn't mean it's not a big deal. Just ask Pete Rose or Shoeless Joe Jackson about that one.

I, for one, am happy that this is breaking right now. A few weeks ago this would have been swept under the rug, barely reported or discussed in the national media. But leading up to the Pats-Jets game, with everyone refocused on the Week 1 incident, it's perfect timing.

The Jets will never lose draft picks or money, in my opinion, simply because the league doesn't have a leg to stand on in this situation (no tapes confiscated). They have quotes from 'sources'...that will not amount to anything.

What WILL happen, in my opinion, is some legitimate discussion about taping in the NFL and more quotes like Jimmy Johnson's. If nothing else this will serve to paint BB and the Patriots in a bit more favorable light. Most fans (non-Pats fans, that is) will disregard this new development and continue to believe that the Patriots are the only evil, cheating team out there--because that's what they want to believe. But this will help to clear the air for rational fans and might help to allow the Patriots legacy--for this season and the past--to recover some of its glow.
 
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Yeah, but who listens to the douche-bag Mayor though? I thought rebelliousness and standing up for one-self was what America was all about

If it was Menino, you wouldn't be able to understand him anyways.
 
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What WILL happen, in my opinion, is some legitimate discussion about taping in the NFL and more quotes like Jimmy Johnson's. If nothing else this will serve to paint BB and the Patriots in a bit more favorable light. Most fans (non-Pats fans, that is) will disregard this new development and continue to believe that the Patriots are the only evil, cheating team out there--because that's what they want to believe. But this will help to clear the air for rational fans and might help to allow the Patriots legacy--for this season and the past--to recover some of its glow.

Exactly, well put.
 
Re: Newsday: Did the Jets spy on the Patriots, too?

The Jets will never lose draft picks or money, in my opinion, simply because the league doesn't have a leg to stand on in this situation (no tapes confiscated). They have quotes from 'sources'...that will not amount to anything.
Well, they also have a PR guy from the Jets saying that they taped last year's game, but it was done legally. If it was done from the area in front of the lighthouse, it's not legal.
 
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