New media buzz word for BB: "Arrogant"

[DaBruinz]

Bill's Girl: Please look up "overreaction" in the dictionary. Copy it down, tape it to your bathroom mirror, and practice some long, slow, deep breathing at least twice a day. This should help preclude future bouts of hyperventilation and umbrage-induced bloviating. Once these coping mechanisms are firmly established, you may wish to silently repeat the soothing mantra, "It's only a football Internet messageboard ... It's only a football Internet messageboard ... "

Well, Tune, it may be a Football Internet Message board, but that doesn't make what you said any less real or damning of BB. Particularly since we KNOW the media hacks out there read this board and get ideas from it.

You and I butted heads when you felt the need to intrude on BB's personal life last year. And, here you are again, posting things about BB that may or may not be true. And of which are truly none of our business. The fact is that you stepped in it again.

 

[arrellbee]

Bill's Girl: Please look up "overreaction" in the dictionary. Copy it down, tape it to your bathroom mirror, and practice some long, slow, deep breathing at least twice a day. This should help preclude future bouts of hyperventilation and umbrage-induced bloviating. Once these coping mechanisms are firmly established, you may wish to silently repeat the soothing mantra, "It's only a football Internet messageboard ... It's only a football Internet messageboard ... "

Freedom of expressing opinions - of course !!
Uhhhh, by the way, freedom of critiquing opinions and their merit and appropriateness - also, OF COURSE !!
duhhhhhhh .....`
Applies both ways !! !! !!

 

[Bill's Girl]

Be interesting to see if any of our vaunted sportswriters use Myers Briggs as a story idea in the next couple of days.

Here is the link:

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/mmdi-re/mmdi-re.htm


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• Is appreciative and accepting of people - enjoying company and seeking harmony
• Assesses the impact of decisions on others, being sympathetic or compassionate
• Takes a personal approach

 

[Tunescribe]

If we are looking for a textbook definition of the word arrogant, may I present exhibit A! You can insult me as you have insulted BB, with your dime store, Dr. Phil psycho-babble, but it does not take away from the fact that you have crossed the line in the past. Your "high and mighty" attitude around here is growing tiresome.

OK Bill's Girl, who exactly is being "high and mighty"? Your well-documented worship of BB suggests he's beyond untouchable and woe unto he/she who might suggest otherwise. Seems to me we should be able to float controversial notions/ideas/observations here about our coaches, players, owner, groundskeepers, ticket takers, etc., without fear of condemnation or personal attack from fellow posters. It's called freedom of speech and free exchange of ideas. Provocative concepts for discussion's sake should not be discouraged but welcomed in a forum like this. It's OK to disagree, to explain why, and hopefully without disparagement. Several folks have done that to constructive ends in response to my post, and that's what this place is all about. You need to lighten up.

 

[Bill's Girl]

OK Bill's Girl, who exactly is being "high and mighty"? Your well-documented worship of BB suggests he's beyond untouchable and woe unto he/she who might suggest otherwise. Seems to me we should be able to float controversial notions/ideas/observations here about our coaches, players, owner, groundskeepers, ticket takers, etc., without fear of condemnation or personal attack from fellow posters. It's called freedom of speech and free exchange of ideas. Provocative concepts for discussion's sake should not be discouraged but welcomed in a forum like this. It's OK to disagree, to explain why, and hopefully without disparagement. Several folks have done that to constructive ends in response to my post, and that's what this place is all about. You need to lighten up.

I have not personally attacked anyone! If you honestly think that this is proper forum to discuss anyone's mental state then you are a sorry human being.

 

[Tunescribe]

Well, Tune, it may be a Football Internet Message board, but that doesn't make what you said any less real or damning of BB. Particularly since we KNOW the media hacks out there read this board and get ideas from it.

You and I butted heads when you felt the need to intrude on BB's personal life last year. And, here you are again, posting things about BB that may or may not be true. And of which are truly none of our business. The fact is that you stepped in it again.

Oh, here we go again. Like last time, I suggest you go back and READ THE ORIGINAL POST! (Carefully this time DB, please.) There wasn't anything purportedly "real" or remotely "damning" about anything written; I said up front it was merely a THEORY drawn from personal observation. Please, let's not resurrect that tired old argument that was more than settled last go-'round re., public discussion of public figures.

 

[fgssand]

Here is my theory on BB: I think the man struggles with moderate to low-grade depression. Depressed people are not naturally gregarious, often are socially withdrawn, and exhibit behavior that may be construed as "arrogant" but is actually just the opposite. A lot of what I've seen in BB's public behavior -- press conferences, TV appearances, etc. -- suggest a man who must put extra effort into personal interaction that does not come to him naturally. BB is just not that good with "people" in general, but it's probably not his fault. He seems to have become more aware of this and made strides with it since his Cleveland days, but my sense is that he still struggles with it. He's also going through a divorce, by the way.

What a terrible post this is. What reasons could you have to want to even suggest he is depressed (are you a professional and able to recognize these symptoms as you call them)? Or what possible agenda have you against this guy??
I find him to actually be refreshing when it comes to his interviews, I see humor, honesty and a man that treats people with respect. I happen to really enjoy reading his books and hearing his press conferences - I have learned a lot and I think he has a great sense of humor as well. I happen to believe he is quite good with people as evidenced by what I see and hear from his peers, his players (former and present), his kids, his Mom & dad (may he rest in peace).

My gosh, the class, admiration, respect and this guy has earned is something we should all strive to achieve. For you to ignore all that he has accomplished, so far beyond winning football games, is really disingenuous on your part. I really think you should refrain from making any comments about him as it is clear that you will never have anything nice to say and you only seek to harm.

 

[Tunescribe]

I have not personally attacked anyone! If you honestly think that this is proper forum to discuss anyone's mental state then you are a sorry human being.

Hmm ... Seems the "mental state" of folks like Adam Vinatieri, Willie McGinest, David Givens, et al., is fair game here. But BB appears to be an untouchable sacred cow, at least in your estimation. And yes, you did personally attack me -- both in your original response to my post and again above.

 

[maverick4]

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Hmm ... Seems the "mental state" of folks like Adam Vinatieri, Willie McGinest, David Givens, et al., is fair game here. But BB appears to be an untouchable sacred cow, at least in your estimation. And yes, you did personally attack me -- both in your original response to my post and again above.

Well, unless you're Ron Borges, any reasonable person will agree that Bill Belichick is the mastermind behind the Patriots juggernaut.

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[PATSNUTme]

Hmm ... Seems the "mental state" of folks like Adam Vinatieri, Willie McGinest, David Givens, et al., is fair game here. But BB appears to be an untouchable sacred cow, at least in your estimation. And yes, you did personally attack me -- both in your original response to my post and again above.

I will add that your comments of BB's mental state was well over the top. Tell us, what are your credentials to make that kind of observation?

 

[Tunescribe]

What a terrible post this is. What reasons could you have to want to even suggest he is depressed (are you a professional and able to recognize these symptoms as you call them)? Or what possible agenda have you against this guy??
I find him to actually be refreshing when it comes to his interviews, I see humor, honesty and a man that treats people with respect. I happen to really enjoy reading his books and hearing his press conferences - I have learned a lot and I think he has a great sense of humor as well. I happen to believe he is quite good with people as evidenced by what I see and hear from his peers, his players (former and present), his kids, his Mom & dad (may he rest in peace).

My gosh, the class, admiration, respect and this guy has earned is something we should all strive to achieve. For you to ignore all that he has accomplished, so far beyond winning football games, is really disingenuous on your part. I really think you should refrain from making any comments about him as it is clear that you will never have anything nice to say and you only seek to harm.

Nothing in my post suggested an agenda or intent to harm. It was just an idea presented in the context of the thread, re., addressing BB's alleged "arrogance." I don't think he's arrogant, and maybe he doesn't battle mild depression. But if he did, there's nothing "wrong" or "bad" or "condemning" about that, suggestive of disrespect, or even remotely dismissive of his incredible accomplishments.

 

[Bill's Girl]

Hmm ... Seems the "mental state" of folks like Adam Vinatieri, Willie McGinest, David Givens, et al., is fair game here. But BB appears to be an untouchable sacred cow, at least in your estimation. And yes, you did personally attack me -- both in your original response to my post and again above.

You are in sore need of the professional help you are so willing to dole out about people you don't even know.

It has always been my theory that the faults people find in others are things that they themselves suffer from. Let's test this theory:

Here is my theory on TUNE: I think the man struggles with moderate to low-grade depression. Depressed people are not naturally gregarious, often are socially withdrawn, and exhibit behavior that may be construed as "arrogant" but is actually just the opposite. A lot of what I've seen in TUNE's public behavior – Andover lecture, etc. -- suggest a man who must put extra effort into personal interaction that does not come to him naturally. TUNE is just not that good with "people" in general, but it's probably not his fault…

 

[fgssand]

Nothing in my post suggested an agenda or intent to harm. It was just an idea presented in the context of the thread, re., addressing BB's alleged "arrogance." I don't think he's arrogant, and maybe he doesn't battle mild depression. But if he did, there's nothing "wrong" or "bad" or "condemning" about that, suggestive of disrespect, or even remotely dismissive of his incredible accomplishments.

The mere fact that you suggest he is depressed and then feel the need to bring up his personal marital situation in the middle of a BB is arrogant thread is a hell of a way for you to express your above stated opinion that he is not arrogant, now does not battle even "mild depression (again your opinion of which there seems to be no basis or fact for) and your not dissing any of his accomplishments.

So, what were you saying then ro begin with?

 

[Tunescribe]

You are in sore need of the professional help you are so willing to dole out about people you don't even know.

It has always been my theory that the faults people find in others are things that they themselves suffer from. Let's test this theory:

Here is my theory on TUNE: I think the man struggles with moderate to low-grade depression. Depressed people are not naturally gregarious, often are socially withdrawn, and exhibit behavior that may be construed as "arrogant" but is actually just the opposite. A lot of what I've seen in TUNE's public behavior – Andover lecture, etc. -- suggest a man who must put extra effort into personal interaction that does not come to him naturally. TUNE is just not that good with "people" in general, but it's probably not his fault…

Well, at least you've absolved me from being at fault for whatever my shortcomings and transgressions might be. That's a step in the right direction, Bill's Girl.

 

[PATSNUTme]

You are in sore need of the professional help you are so willing to dole out about people you don't even know.

It has always been my theory that the faults people find in others are things that they themselves suffer from. Let's test this theory:

Here is my theory on TUNE: I think the man struggles with moderate to low-grade depression. Depressed people are not naturally gregarious, often are socially withdrawn, and exhibit behavior that may be construed as "arrogant" but is actually just the opposite. A lot of what I've seen in TUNE's public behavior – Andover lecture, etc. -- suggest a man who must put extra effort into personal interaction that does not come to him naturally. TUNE is just not that good with "people" in general, but it's probably not his fault…

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[Tunescribe]

The mere fact that you suggest he is depressed and then feel the need to bring up his personal marital situation in the middle of a BB is arrogant thread is a hell of a way for you to express your above stated opinion that he is not arrogant, now does not battle even "mild depression (again your opinion of which there seems to be no basis or fact for) and your not dissing any of his accomplishments.

So, what were you saying then ro begin with?

Here's what I was TRYING to get across: The thread was addressing this notion of BB's alleged "arrogance" being an obstacle to his relationships with members of the media, with players, etc. It extended into discussion of his rocky experiences in Cleveland, his personality in general, etc., etc. The thing is, I don't believe BB is "arrogant," or a narcissist. I offered the theory that perhaps this oft-observed and documented "schism" in his relationships might have another, much more innocent explanation that's far less "blameworthy" for those inclined to criticize or cite alleged character flaws. Yes, I do have significant academic grounding in this subject, but all the while have stressed that it is a "theory" only, based on what I've come to know and observe. Could be right, could be wrong, and was posed solely for the sake of enlightened discussion, nothing more. People don't understand depression, which has been negatively stigmatized by our society. It occurs to varying degrees and manifests in different ways, can be chemically or cognitively oriented, and usually precludes prior awareness, intent, or "character deficiency" when lending to difficulties in personal interraction. Above all, it doesn't make someone wrong or bad or inadequate in any way. But, it can pose obstacles, the nature of which often are misunderstood and misconstrued as something like "arrogance." The notion that those battling depression are underachievers is another falsehood; to the contrary, many of the world's most brilliant and accomplished people have struggled with it. I hope this makes things more clear.

 

[DaBruinz]

Oh, here we go again. Like last time, I suggest you go back and READ THE ORIGINAL POST! (Carefully this time DB, please.) There wasn't anything purportedly "real" or remotely "damning" about anything written; I said up front it was merely a THEORY drawn from personal observation. Please, let's not resurrect that tired old argument that was more than settled last go-'round re., public discussion of public figures.

Here is my theory.

Tunescribe is the one with the depression. He is also suffering from fits of jealousy and a severe lack of attention.

To draw attention to himself, he posts idiotic and borderline slanderous comments about Bill Belichick so that people will actually talk to him, even if it is to yell at him and tell him what a ****** he is for making such comments.

How's that for a theory?

 

[Tunescribe]

Here is my theory.

Tunescribe is the one with the depression. He is also suffering from fits of jealousy and a severe lack of attention.

To draw attention to himself, he posts idiotic and borderline slanderous comments about Bill Belichick so that people will actually talk to him, even if it is to yell at him and tell him what a ****** he is for making such comments.

How's that for a theory?

Pretty much what could be expected from you, DB. Not terribly clever, thoughtful, or well-informed.

 

[IcyPatriot]

In the last two days I have heard 3 media people use the word "arrogant" in describing BB.

Last night on NEST Alan Greenberg used it, Gary tanguay used it( but I don't know if he knows what he's saying half the time). Then this morning on WEEI, both John Dennis and Callahan used it.

I think the writers are "ARROGANT"...I mean they have a right to ask the question...but we all already know Adam wanted out. So they have the answer already the fools.

 

[fgssand]

Here's what I was TRYING to get across: The thread was addressing this notion of BB's alleged "arrogance" being an obstacle to his relationships with members of the media, with players, etc.

Thats the problem right there. This "notion" is false from the start. He doesn't have any problems with current players, ex-players, other coaches, current ownership, most media mebers (except the "arrogant" and stupid ones), fans, family and just about anyone that has come to really get to know him.

He is well respected, well thought of and widely recognized as the best living NFL coach in the game today.

If you want to discuss Cleveland, players that he has cut/ let go/valued lower than they the player thought they should be or discuss certain media members arses that BB refuses to kiss, just let me know.

So, you may now take your theories and notions and go back to sleep for another year regarding this subject.