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Patriots 2021 Draft Profile, NT Tyler Shelvin, LSU
Steve Balestrieri
Shelvin dominates single blocking and has the strong anchor to absorb double teams at the point of attack, allowing the linebackers to clean up and make plays.

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[Tony2046]

What's the most valuable position in the front seven? I'd say it's the NT.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What's the most valuable position in the front seven? I'd say it's the NT.

A 3 down Defensive End like R Seymour. Just like the most valuable position on the OLine is the left and right tackles. Positions mirror each other and require the most athleticism.

 

[Tony2046]

A 3 down Defensive End like R Seymour. Just like the most valuable position on the OLine is the left and right tackles. Positions mirror each other and require the most athleticism.

Good point.

Would you rather have Wilfork or Seymour if you had to choose?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Good point.

Would you rather have Wilfork or Seymour if you had to choose?

Seymour if based on talent. No doubt. But Vincent is a great player, a great guy, and I think he was more of a PTP.

 

[Tony2046]

Seymour if based on talent. No doubt. But Vincent is a great player, a great guy, and I think he was more of a PTP.

A few years ago I did an ameteurish deep dive into the NT position and have favored it ever sense. I found it to be the most impactful position of the front seven. The reason I did it was to determine whether Wilfork belonged in the HOF or not. I think he does. And much like Seymour the "stats" do not support that take.

In short, a dominant NT can disrupt the pocket more so than a DE or LB. Although Seymour, an anomaly, had a similar impact.

Watching Vita Vea vs a solid GB Oline two weeks ago was just an example of the impact a dominant NT can have. Imo.

But to your point, Seymour did do the same thing. I loved Wilfork but would probably have to go with Seymour as well.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

A few years ago I did an ameteurish deep dive into the NT position and have favored it ever sense. I found it to be the most impactful position of the front seven. The reason I did it was to determine whether Wilfork belonged in the HOF or not. I think he does. And much like Seymour the "stats" do not support that take.

In short, a dominant NT can disrupt the pocket more so than a DE or LB. Although Seymour, an anomaly, had a similar impact.

Watching Vita Vea vs a solid GB Oline two weeks ago was just an example of the impact a dominant NT can have. Imo.

But to your point, Seymour did do the same thing. I loved Wilfork but would probably have to go with Seymour as well.

Aaron Donald is a top 5 DLineman. I would classify him as a DT, an All-Pro and a future hall of famer, so it is more about the player than the position. If you had to pick between Aaron Donald and Richard Seymour?

 

[Tony2046]

Aaron Donald is a top 5 DLineman. I would classify him as a DT, an All-Pro and a future hall of famer, so it is more about the player than the position. If you had to pick between Aaron Donald and Richard Seymour?

Great question. I don't know. I'll choose Seymour because his efforts resulted in rings but that's just hindsight buffoonery.

How about this,. Vita Vea or Aaron Donald?

I'd take Vea. But it's really close.

Or, let me ask you this way,. Players being equal which position has the most impact? NT or DE?

Anyway I think you're right. It's the player and not as much the position.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Aaron Donald and Richard Seymour?

I don't view them as the same player.

Both HoF in their own way.

Hows that for a cop-out?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What's the most valuable position in the front seven? I'd say it's the NT.

Elite Edge/Rush > Elite DT ... slightly

Good point.

Would you rather have Wilfork or Seymour if you had to choose?

Seymour slightly. Wilfork belongs in the HOF though. Top 1-3 at his position. Anchor on SB teams. Durable at toughest position in the game. He basically fought two guys 30 times a game while getting blindsided another 10 times. 330+ playing 50 snaps at 5 seconds per snap. He belongs.

Aaron Donald is a top 5 DLineman. I would classify him as a DT, an All-Pro and a future hall of famer, so it is more about the player than the position. If you had to pick between Aaron Donald and Richard Seymour?

Donald, easy.

Great question. I don't know. I'll choose Seymour because his efforts resulted in rings but that's just hindsight buffoonery.

How about this,. Vita Vea or Aaron Donald?

I'd take Vea. But it's really close.

Or, let me ask you this way,. Players being equal which position has the most impact? NT or DE?

Anyway I think you're right. It's the player and not as much the position.

I'd go Donald easy although Vea was a draft forum crush years ago. I loved him. I know @reamer did as well. I love watching his tape. Him and Suh have some of the most impressive play strength I've ever seen. Both are naturally strong as ****, it's amazing.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Great question. I don't know. I'll choose Seymour because his efforts resulted in rings but that's just hindsight buffoonery.

How about this,. Vita Vea or Aaron Donald?

I'd take Vea. But it's really close.

Or, let me ask you this way,. Players being equal which position has the most impact? NT or DE?

Anyway I think you're right. It's the player and not as much the position.

Vea might be better but right now Donald's resume is greater. I would pick Donald, but Thuney stoned him one-on-one in the SB.

I think a 3 down DE is the most important front 7 position, but there is an argument for DT (Vea and Donald), or OLB (Taylor).

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't view them as the same player.

Both HoF in their own way.

Hows that for a cop-out?

They are not the same - that was the point of the discussion.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Elite Edge/Rush > Elite DT ... slightly

Seymour slightly. Wilfork belongs in the HOF though. Top 1-3 at his position. Anchor on SB teams. Durable at toughest position in the game. He basically fought two guys 30 times a game while getting blindsided another 10 times. 330+ playing 50 snaps at 5 seconds per snap. He belongs.

Donald, easy.

I'd go Donald easy although Vea was a draft forum crush years ago. I loved him. I know @reamer did as well. I love watching his tape. Him and Suh have some of the most impressive play strength I've ever seen. Both are naturally strong as ****, it's amazing.

Thanks @BaconGrundleCandy. Who are the top two "naturally strong as ****" in the 2021 draft?

 

[Patsgofor4]

I must be in the wrong thread. I came here to learn about Tyler Shelvin.

 

[captain stone]

Aaron Donald is a top 5 DLineman. I would classify him as a DT, an All-Pro and a future hall of famer, so it is more about the player than the position. If you had to pick between Aaron Donald and Richard Seymour?

Aaron Donald, and it's not really close.

 

[captain stone]

Patriots 2021 Draft Profile, NT Tyler Shelvin, LSU
Steve Balestrieri
Shelvin dominates single blocking and has the strong anchor to absorb double teams at the point of attack, allowing the linebackers to clean up and make plays.

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I would Love it if Shelvin's still available with our 3rd-rounder...#47's a bit too rich for me, though I would take Alim McNeill there...